I’m going to devote the entirety of ‘Part 2’ to Chapter 4. Chapter 4 really is foundational to the author’s claim that America is The Daughter of Babylon. If the author can successfully establish the identity of ‘The Daughter of Babylon’, then everything else is merely detail.
Of course, ‘merely detail’ encompasses a lot of ground. For instance, if the US really IS the ‘Daughter of Babylon’ or ‘Babylon the Great’, then you are going to have to leave the US. It’s not a suggestion – and, the author goes into detail about this command in Chapter 13.
But, let’s see if the US really is ‘The Daughter of Babylon’.
(Oh, and please excuse the sloppiness of my writing. This represents a huge amount of work, and time constraints require me to get it done quickly. I’ll be coming back to this and cleaning it up in the coming months. Just don’t let the quality of my writing get in the way of the message.)
CHAPTER FOUR – THE MYSTERY OF THE IDENTITY OF THE DAUGHTER OF BABYLON
In Chapter Four, John Price begins wrestling with the question of the identity of the Daughter of Babylon and Babylon the Great. He then lays out possible evidence that seem to indicate that America does not exist at some point in the future.
However, the ‘meat’ of his argument lies in 21 ‘clues’ that he uses to prove that the Daughter of Babylon cannot be Iraq or Rome, and must be the US.
Identity Clue 1 – Is the Daughter the Same as the Mother?
The author jumps into an attempt to identify the “Daughter of Babylon” by pointing out that the Babylon in Jeremiah 50 has a mother:
your mother shall be utterly put to shame; she that bare you shall be confounded: behold, she shall be the hindermost of the nations, a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert.
– Jeremiah 50:12
He very rightly talks about the original Babylon having no mother, so why does Jeremiah 50 refer to Babylon having a mother?
Well there is one nation that does seem to fit much of the description of Babylon, and that nation does have a mother – The United States of America.
And her mother?
Furthermore, Mr. Price points out that the object of Jeremiah 50 and 51 is referred to as a Daughter of Babylon – not Babylon itself, but a daughter.
42 They lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, every one set in array, as a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon
– Jeremiah 50:42
For thus saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel: The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing-floor at the time when it is trodden; yet a little while, and the time of harvest shall come for her.
– Jeremiah 50:33
However, I have a problem with the author’s interpretation. Jeremiah 50 and 51 refer to Babylon as being in the Land of the Chaldeans (Jeremiah 50:1,8,25,45 and 51:4,54) and that’s a pretty specific identifier. It’s hard to get my head around an idea that says the Land of the Chaldeans could be anywhere else but Iraq.
But, the author also raises the point that the Daughter of Babylon will be overthrown in the same way that God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah (Jeremiah 50:40)
That clearly hasn’t happened, and it doesn’t appear that it will happen. In fact, it’s hard to envision a reason why modern day Iraq would ever be attacked with nuclear weapons – which is obviously the only way that it could ever be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah.
Oh, and by the way, if any should ever want to consider that Jeremiah 50 and 51 are about the area where ANCIENT Babylon sits, let me remind you that the ancient city of Babylon was never destroyed – merely abandoned.
Identity Clue 2 – “The Hammer of the Whole Earth.”
How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations!
– Jeremiah 50:23
Mr. Price then goes on to speak of the Daughter of Babylon as God’s ‘war club’ (Jeremiah 51:20). I actually disagree with that interpretation because it is clear to me that the subject is Israel (‘Jacob’), and God really has destroyed nations and peoples with Jacob.
But, let me rush to this idea’s defense and provide a different verse. Jeremiah 51 describes the ‘Daughter of Babylon’ as a destroying mountain:
Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith Jehovah, which destroyest all the earth; and I will stretch out my hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.
– Jeremiah 51:25
That CANNOT be Iraq. Iraq has never been a ‘destroying mountain’ at any time in the past two and a half thousand years.
But, America has.
The author also quotes Revelation 17:18: “And the woman whom thou sawest is the great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
Iraq certainly doesn’t reign over the kings of the earth.
And, for those of you that hold to the theory that this is Roms… I’m sorry to say that I see very little of Roman Catholic involvement in Global Security and Foreign Policy – very little. This is not to say that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t attempt to influence world events, it certainly does.
But, does Rome rule?
John Price goes on to describe America’s military spending. When you compare all of the spending of all the countries in the rest of the world – America’s spending is 40% compared to the combined total of the rest of the world.
And, when you consider that the US has 850 military bases in the world – it is even more amazing.
No one even compares to that – including the Vatican. Can you call the Roman Catholic Church “The Hammer of the Whole Earth”?
Of course not.
The author then goes on to describe the destruction of the ‘Hammer of the Whole Earth’ as being in an instant – not over the course of months. An instant.
And, both Revelation and Jeremiah agree in this.
Identity Clue 3 – Latter Day Nation
The author makes a very good point with this clue that I hadn’t really thought about. He says that the Daughter of Babylon is not a ‘hindermost’ nation, but a ‘Latter Day’ nation. The word in Hebrew is acharayit, which means last – not hindermost. So yes, the Daughter of Babylon needs to be a ‘modern nation’ not an ancient one.
Of course, you could argue that Iraq is a nation that is even more recent than America.
But, is it really?
Iraq was turned into a thoroughly Arab country by a succession of Caliphs. Even though the area was organized into a kingdom by the victors of World War I, it was still very Arab, very old and very much nowhere in particular.
Identity Clue 4 – A Nation of Wealth and Luxury
America is the CLEAR winner here. Iraq was never a wealthy nation, and the ‘Daughter of Babylon’ is clearly described as a nation of incredible wealth. Again, Jeremiah and Revelation make this VERY clear.
And no, the Vatican cannot hold this role. The Vatican DOES have wealth, but it is at best a small player in the financial world.
Identity Clue 5 – A Multi-Ethnic “Melting Pot” of a Nation
Jeremiah 50:37 says it all:
A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures, and they shall be robbed.
Iraq was never a country of ‘mingled people’ – unless you want to make the case of the Sunnis and Shias being ‘mingled’. But, the Sunnis and Shias in Iraq are both Arab. The Shias in Iraq are NOT Persian (i.e., Iranian). You cannot make the Sunni/Shia argument apply to Jeremiah 50:37
Does anyone want to claim that America is NOT a melting pot?
Identity clue 6: You Who Live On Many Waters
O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, the measure of thy covetousness.
– Jeremiah 51:13
Whether you want to make these ‘waters’ people (as in Revelation 17:15) or physical waters, America STILL fits this MUCH better than Iraq.
Identity Clue 7: Center of World Commerce
The author quotes Revelation 18:11-13:
11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, for no man buyeth their merchandise any more;
12 merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stone, and pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet; and all thyine wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel made of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble;
13 and cinnamon, and spice, and incense, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep; and merchandise of horses and chariots and slaves; and souls of men.
It’s very clear that this is NOT Iraq and NOT Rome.
When America sneezes, the world catches a cold.
And the evidence that John Price includes, really hammers this point home.
Identity Clue 8 – The Great Voice
I don’t think that there is any country whose voice has more impact than America’s. When America speaks, everyone listens.
I recently had a lengthy conversation with a Ph.D. student about the President of the United States. He made an interesting point. He said that the President was rhetorically a World President. The influence of his words has changed the course of nations.
Identity Clue 9 – They Are Mad Upon Their Idols
The author quotes Jeremiah 50:38b:
…for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols.
Actually, the original Hebrew doesn’t say ‘mad upon their idols’. It says that they boast of them, or praise them. The root of the Hebrew word is Ha-lel – praise. It’s the root of Hallelujah, which means ‘praise God’.
Hebrew is a difficult language, so you might want to check the Young’s Literal Translation of the bible, if the Hebrew is too difficult to unscramble.
Here is the ‘YLT’ version of the above:
…for it [is] a land of graven images, And in idols they do boast themselves.
But, I’m getting off on a tangent. The author makes a very accurate portrayal of America’s idolatry. Furthermore, when you know something about idol worship in ancient times, you’ll see some remarkable similarities to what Americans do today.
Identity Clue 10 – The Daughter of Babylon Mounts Up To The Heavens
I’m not quite so certain that this is an important clue. But, the fact that America has reached further into space than any other… well, who knows? Maybe that’s significant.
She has certainly ‘mounted up to the heavens’ in many different ways.
Identity Clue 11 – Where The Nations Gather
This is VERY true. America really is the place where everyone goes to meet. I really think that the author has this COMPLETELY right.
No. The Nations do not gather in Iraq, especially now that the foreign armies have withdrawn.
No. I’m sorry. I cannot accept that this refers to the ‘priests’ and monks from different parts of the world congregating here.
I agree that it happens, but there’s a tremendous difference in scale. EVERYONE winds up in America at one time or another.
Not so much.
Identity Clue 12 – She Has Been Proud Against the Lord
Yeah… as much as I love the country of my birth, I also have to admit that America is very, very proud of itself. When you are an American abroad, you are protected in ways that few other citizens are protected.
No one messes with Americans, and THAT makes you cocky.
And, proud against the Lord? Yup, definitely.
But, it is also true that you could say something of the same thing about the Roman Catholic church.
Identity Clue 13 – Jewish Population
Mr. Price also makes the connection between Babylon and her Jewish population. However, we know that Iraq had a significant population, so this might not be as clear a clue as it seems.
Having said that, it certainly seems to eliminate Rome as a candidate for ‘Daughter of Babylon’.
There are NO Jews in the Vatican, and no Jews in the Roman Catholic Church. I certainly haven’t heard of any.
Identity Clue 14 – Deep Water Port Nation
In Revelation 18:17-18, it says:
17 `And every shipmaster, and all the company upon the ships, and sailors, and as many as work the sea, far off stood,
18 and were crying, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like to the great city?
This eliminates Iraq as Babylon, and it also eliminates Rome. Whoever The Daughter of Babylon is, the capital city must be in sight of the sea, and must have lots of ocean traffic accessing her port.
Even if Rome were ‘nuked’ you would not see the smoke directly, unless it drifted over you – especially if you ‘far off stood’.
But New York City?
The smoke of her burning would be easy to see from far away.
Identity Clue 15 – The Kings of the Medes Won’t Destroy Themselves
I’m not quite sure why the author titled this clue in this way. Iraq is racially distinct from Persia/Iran, so an attack upon Iraq wouldn’t be an attack on their own people.
But, let me offer my own ‘clue’ here. Iran (aka, Kings of the Medes) is no longer ‘stirred up’ about Iraq. Saddam is dead. His army decimated. They are not stirred up towards Iraq.
They ARE stirred up against the US.
Identity Clue 16 – A Land of Entertainment
22 And the voice of harpers and minstrels and flute-players and trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft, shall be found any more at all in thee; and the voice of a mill shall be heard no more at all in thee;
– Rev 18:22
I’m not sure that this is a significant clue. But, since we do see that the US really is a land of entertainment – with American movies dominating the entertainment world… well, I can see a connection here.
Seen any good Iraqi or Roman Catholic movies, lately?
Identity Clue 17 – Historical Babylon is Gone and Won’t Be Back
Here, John Price makes a very strong argument. Iraq has been destroyed and is really no place at all.
The best that anyone can say about the future of Babylon, is that they are thinking about opening a small theme park and a hotel.
Give it a few hundred years, and you might be able to ‘shoe-horn’ Babylon into the role that we are talking about… but, it really would take HUNDREDS of years and an enormous amount of work.
Identity Clue 18 – Only America Sits on the Seven Mountains/Continents of the Earth
Now, here is a VERY controversial clue.
The author makes a case that the seven hills of Rome can barely even be considered ‘hills’ – let alone, MOUNTAINS.
Here’s the key verse in Revelation 17:9
9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Bumps in the landscape of central Italy CANNOT be considered MOUNTAINS.
So… I think that the author is right in saying that this cannot be Rome.
10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.
Of course, if these mountains aren’t geographical, but figurative… well, this may allow Rome to creep back in and try to be ‘The Daughter of Babylon’.
But, I just don’t see it. Which ‘seven kings’ are we talking about?
And… if you consider, as the author does, the possibility that the term ‘mountain’ might refer to continents… well, America DOES dominate all seven continents of the globe.
But, like verse 10 says… they’re kings.
Identity Clue 19 – Ancient Babylon Has Already Been Punished for Conquering Jerusalem
And… this is true. Iraq doesn’t actually require a second round of punishment for their handling of Judah’s captivity, and the author lays this out quite well.
Identity Clue 20 – Past Use By God of The Daughter of Babylon
7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in Jehovah’s hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunk of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
– Jer 51:7
This is an interesting ‘clue’. Verse 7 is actually a negative verse, and it seems that the Lord is saying that GOD used this golden cup to make the nations drunk…
But, the author makes the point that this cup is golden. It was, in the past, a beautiful creation of God. It didn’t start out defiled.
It was golden, in the hands of God.
I think that the author has made a significant point with this verse. Was the Roman Catholic church ever ‘a golden cup in the hands of God’? Or Iraq?
Have any of those made the nations ‘mad’?
American culture has a thousand times more impact on foreign cultures than the Roman Catholic church does.
I’ve seen this with my own eyes.
Identity Clue 21 – How Many Nations Are Sworn To Defend Israel?
John Price believes that America will eventually betray Israel in not stepping in and honor her defense agreement with Israel. This could happen, but I think that there is an even greater connection in the Holocaust.
I’ve been talking about this for a while, and other writers have been bringing to light the horrifying and callous betrayal of the Jewish people by the American government. There is not enough space to talk about all of it here, but it is clear to me that MILLIONS of Jews would have been saved if America would have acted even a little bit differently.
America has yet to pay the price for this vicious betrayal, and I am convinced that this price is going to be paid in the very near future.
What do I think of all these clues?
Well, some of the clues are only weak indicators, but when you put them all together… I truly do not believe that there is any other candidate. No one, except the United States, fits these 21 clues. No one.
Yes, yes, there are others who might have some of the characteristics written here, but all of them? As a whole?
Not Rome and not Iraq.
God help us all.