WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I really wish that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture wasn’t a Lie. I really do. I wish that we didn’t have to go through three and a half years of extreme persecution. I wish that being a Christian meant that life was a serene experience of clear skies and smooth sailing.

Unfortunately, those of us who wish to live holy and righteous lives in Christ, WILL suffer persecution (2 Tim 3:12). When Paul wrote that to Timothy, he wasn’t thinking of the persecution that you and I have experienced – frowns, disapproval and lost jobs. No, he was referring to the persecution that Christians are experiencing right now in the Arab world – such as with ISIS and Boko Haram.


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The persecution that THEY are experiencing is coming for us. We call it The Great Tribulation, but we would understand it better if we called it The Great Persecution. Unfortunately, that name has already been used to describe the horrible events during the time of emperor Diocletian.

Well, one thousand seven hundred and eleven years of practice since then, has allowed Satan to perfect his skill at destroying Christians. And soon, he will have one final chance at destroying the church that Jesus, our Lord and Savior built.

The good thing is that it will only last three and a half years, and there will be great reward for us, when it is all over.

However, we have many brothers and sisters in Christ who believe in a different story. They believe that we will NOT suffer the persecution of the Antichrist, and that belief has caused them to be careless. They aren’t preparing for ANY catastrophe, WHATSOEVER. And, it is because they have put their trust in a lie.

We all have something that we believe to be true, but is a lie. When I stand before the Lord, after this life is over, He will show me all that I got wrong, and will forgive me of those sins. (And yes, believing a lie is a sin.) But, a lie that disarms us and makes us vulnerable to Satanic attack… that goes beyond mere falsehood and straight into vile, filthy and outrageous deceit.

Satan created this lie to put you to sleep, so that he could work unopposed. That plan has been an amazing success, and now Satan is ready to put his vile kingdom into place. The next set of catastrophes that come upon us will be horrifying and will leave hundreds of millions – or, more likely billions – dead.

These catastrophes will set the stage for the arrival of the Antichrist. Satan will bring out his false savior to RESCUE the world from the disasters that HE created. However, these disasters will not be ‘The Tribulation’. They will only be what sets the world up for ‘The Tribulation’.

Unfortunately, I doubt that you will survive these initial catastrophes. You might, but I doubt it. Worse, once these disasters roll over us, you will be powerless in the face of what comes after.

You must not allow this Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie to rob you of the chance that you have right now to prepare spiritually and physically. We have been asleep for far too long. It is time to wake up and prepare for what is coming – so that we can serve the Lord.

Please remember that there is no point…

…if the point isn’t about serving the Lord.

WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

So, what did we talk about in this week’s series?

In this series about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, we talked about the Who, What, Where, When, How and Why of this Lie. We proved that it was a lie by showing the truth about When the Rapture happens. We described What the pretribbers believe and Why it is wrong. We talked about When and Where it came from and Who brought it to us – and How. We went into detail about the harm that it has already caused. We talked about What the tribulation really is, instead of what the pretribbers tell us. And, we had a few movies to end out the series.

So, let’s talk about that.

Listen to the WEEKEND SHOCKCAST for August 9nd, here:

Weekend ShockCast for August 9, 2014 – John Little




YouTube Link: http://youtu.be/GOMJ2vqBWFc


The Articles That You Will Find in This WEEKEND SHOCKCAST

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie

I try to always ask God for direction before I write, because I truly want every word that I write to be what He wants you to read. I really do. It scares me that I would lead you astray in ANYTHING. Unfortunately, because I am fallible, you cannot trust my words completely. I really am no better than you are.

(Click HERE, for the previous week’s series on Bible Twisting.)

I say all that, because I wanted to write something else today. There are such dire threats facing us, that talking about spiritual lies seems like a waste of time. The problem is that you won’t heed my warnings, if you believe spiritual lies. So, here we go again.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


MONDAY – The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 2 – False Evidence

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 2 – False Evidence

Many responses to my article on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, were very troubling. It showed a desperate desire to hold onto this lie, even to the point of twisting the Bible, itself. And, I am shocked at the lack of evidence that pre-trib supporters have.

It has taken a week, but I have finally come to realize that the only way that you can support the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie, is to believe that it MUST exist. Only then can you bend the Bible to support your argument.

This is exactly how supporters of evolution have been able to explain their theory as fact. According to them, because God cannot be real, evolution must be true.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


TUESDAY – The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 3 – Jesuit Origins

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 3 – Jesuit Origins

As I have looked over the evidence put forward by those who support the pretrib lie, I am amazed at how bad their evidence is. There is just no way that you can come up with such an obvious falsehood without external help.

Well, that external help came in the form of a Chilean Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza. And, I find it to be extremely significant that the origin of this pretrib lie was a member of such a devious organization – an organization that played a key role in the creation of the Illuminati, the Gestapo, the CIA, MK-Ultra, and in the corruption of Christianity.

So, let’s talk about the Jesuits and how they created the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


WEDNESDAY – The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 4 – Causing True Harm

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 4 – Causing True Harm

I know that it seems like this isn’t really all that significant, and three years ago, I might have agreed with you. But, we have brothers and sisters who are asleep, and you need tools to help wake them up.

Worse, as I dug deeper into this issue, I’ve found that the damage that this Lie has done isn’t limited to our ability to survive the Tribulation. It is corrupting our view of the Bible, and it has ALREADY caused horrifying trauma to Christians in far away places.

Like it or not, this Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie is just another version of the feel-good, prosperity doctrine from someone like Joel Osteen. It’s spiritual heroin, and it’s gotta’ stop.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


THURSDAY – The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 5 – The Wrath of Satan


I spent the day answering comments because I wanted to get a sense of what people believed – and why. And, it appears that some are mixed up about what will happen during the Great Tribulation.

Did you know that what we normally call the Great Tribulation is actually in two distinct parts?

That’s right, the first part is the rule of the Antichrist and his great persecution of Christians. I call it the Great Persecution. And, this is what most people mean when they say Tribulation.

The second part is the Wrath of God, when He destroys the Antichrist and all who follow him.

So, why do proponents of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie argue so vehemently against a post-tribulation Rapture?

Because they don’t want to suffer persecution.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


FRIDAY – The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 6 – The Movie

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie – Part 6 – The Movie

Lord willing, we will get back to our normal fare of debt, death and destruction. So, let’s finalize this series with a movie. In fact, more than one.

I did not know about the Nicolas Cage film until after I started this series, and it makes me sick to think that Hollywood has added its weight to this lie. Hollywood has been a purveyor of lies from the beginning, so it should make you suspicious, whenever you find them involved.

But, there’s another movie that I like better, and it speaks the truth to this issue. And, THAT movie stars Pastor Steven Anderson.

(Read the rest of the article, here)


I truly hope that you’ll be ready for this
(That’s a link. There’s not much time left.)


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47 thoughts on “WEEKEND SHOCKCAST: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie”

  1. Good series and maybe will convince a few, but the “Johnny Come Latelys,” to a man, refuse to give Rosenthal any credit for his monumental work, THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. I wonder why? Without him most of them would still be mired in the feel-good pre-trib lie.
    You can tell by reading the JCLs all the new guys have all read the book but ignore it. That’s like a baby ignoring its mother, saying “Look at me! I made me all by myself!
    I fear we will have to experience GREAT tribulation before the die-hards give up their favorite escape theme and admit their error. Oops! There go my book royalties!

    • Hi Willard Aztec,

      Someone once told me that Marvin Rosenthal paid a heavy price when he realized that there was no pre-tribulation rapture. But, he was willing to pay it anyway. I’m afraid that when the day comes when his opponents realize that he was right… well, it will be too late for them.

      And, those that refuse to give him credit for his work… well, the Lord will have something to say to them about that.

      Thank you, Willard. Great point.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  2. John: Thank you for the unvarnished truth. It is not pleasant, but I’d rather know the truth than be in shock while it’s happening. Your logical conclusions are irrefutable and I’ll never argue with The Word of God; Moses tried and failed, Balaam tried and was a miserable failure, plus others. I know this broadcast/week of articles was not easy for you to deliver. The heaviness of the message alone was difficult to digest. God will reward your faithfulness to HIM for revealing this heresy in His church. I cling to Rev. 12:11. The rest is in HIS powerful, mighty, nail-scarred hands. Thanks, John, for a thorough unveiling of just one of the lies we have been told. God speed.

  3. Hi John,

    Those Chris White videos are great. I’ve spent all weekend watching them.
    He appears to believe that the antichrist will be Jewish and will attempt to fulfill the Messianic prophecies. I was reading this article:


    It made me think that if Israel has a hardened electrical grid along with Russia and China…and there was some type of world wide solar electromagnetic pulse event…it would automatically make Israel one of only three technologically advanced countries left on earth (at this time) setting the stage for a Jewish antichrist.

    • Hi Michael Haller,

      Very interesting point, and I haven’t listened to what Chris said, but I also have wondered about the ‘Jewish’ connection to the Antichrist. It would be one way for him claim to be ‘The Messiah’.

      Those Jews who truly come to Christ in Israel are going to suffer persecution at the hands of those who do not. In fact, many of the ‘persecutors’ will join themselves to Christ, as did Paul. This has always been the way.

      Thank you, Michael. This is further encouragement to listen more to what Chris White said.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  4. 3.5 years of extreme persecution? What about the full 7-years? Which 3.5 years are you talking about? The first 1260 days or the sec on 1260 days? My studies lead me to believe the first 3.5 years are Satan’s wrath while the second 3.5 years is God’s wrath?

    Please set me straight.

    • Hi Jack Givens,

      When you count up the days of God’s wrath, you don’t get 3.5 years – at least, not as Revelation describes.

      The seven year tribulation is based upon the idea of a ‘pause’ in Daniel’s Seventieth Week. I’ve never ascribed to that idea, because there’s no indication of such a pause by Daniel.

      Revelation 12 indicates a 3.5 year period of persecution at the hands of the Antichrist. That’s enough evidence for me.

      With all that is going to happen BEFORE the Antichrist comes, I don’t think that we’ll be in much of a condition to worry about how long the Tribulation will last. I’ve heard all kinds of calculations, but I always come back to Revelation 12.

      And that is 3.5 years.

      Remember that the Tribulation is the Persecution at the hands of the Antichrist. The wrath of God is what comes after that.

      Thank you, Jack.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  5. Mr. Little, I notice that on your blog site you list Now The End Begins. Mr Geoffrey Grider says he will debate anybody, anywhere, and at anytime defending the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. I haven’t contacted him, but I am sure that some format could be arranged? Would you consider something like that? I think many people would find it interesting and informative? Just let me know, and I will get this ball rolling? Keep Looking Up, Jimmy

    • Hi Jimmy,

      I used to be on the debate team in college, and the experience left me with the conclusion that nothing gets decided in such situations.

      The leading of the Holy Spirit reveals itself in the midst of calm reflection, not verbal combat – which is what a debate is.

      The reason why I have Geoffrey’s website on my Blogroll is that I respect his work, as well as respecting him as a devout brother in Christ. The fact that he believes a lie doesn’t change that.

      However, I thank you for the offer. It would certainly be an interesting experience.

      Thanks, Jimmy!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  6. Thought you might find this of interest…


    LaHaye is firing back, arguing that anyone who claims that the “so-called rapture is simply not true” or that it was conceived “in the 1800s,” obviously does not believe God’s Word—the Bible. LaHaye offered this statement to Charisma News:

    “God’s Word is just that—God’s words, and He meant what He said. Those who do not believe in the rapture do not understand that the first teaching of the rapture dates back to the first century when the Holy Spirit inspired the Apostle Paul to write it into the Holy Scripture.”

    • Hi gibby62,

      Thank you for the link. That certainly is a piece worth saying ‘ouch’ to.

      So, OUCH.

      He even goes as far as to subtly hint at Christians not being saved if they reject ‘the rapture’.

      Thank you, Gibby.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  7. Not very “christian” of you to not approve my comment, a comment that destroyed the false doctrine of a one man antichrist coming to power at the end. I understand it can be difficult to accept something opposite of what youve learned or been taught. I’m doing this out of love my brother. You don’t want to be like those who teach the false doctrine of the rapture, come out of the lies of the pagan christian church and read the BIble for what it truly says. Most High bless you

    Francis Borgia was commissioned by Alessandro Farnese to create the Jesuit Order (dark order of the Vatican). Borgia was the great grandson of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Loyola was his puppet.
    These jesuits under the Roman Catholic Church are behind the false doctrine taught in theologian seminary schools and shape teachings in modern christian churches.
    These two, Jesuit General Ignatius Loyola and Jesuit Francisco Ribera came up with the left behind doctrine,and they had 7 key points (lies) they wanted the world to believe:
    1. The antichrist is one man opposed to a government structure
    2. The antichrist would build a temple in Jerusalem
    3. The antichrist would abolish with christianity and make a covenant with the jews
    4. The antichrist would call himself god
    5. The antichrist wouldn’t be revealed until 7 years before Christs return
    6. The antichrist would conquer the world
    7. The christain church would be raptured into heaven before the antichrist comes

    • Hi Jason A,

      I don’t remember why I didn’t approve your comment. I have to go through a lot of them and can’t always answer them properly. If you are saying something that I believe to be contrary to scripture, and if I do not have time to neutralize that error with a proper response… well, it gets deleted.

      I have a responsibility towards God, and THAT is very Christian.

      As to your allegations that the Antichrist is NOT a man, the Bible disagrees with you:

      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. – 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

      Sorry, Jason. That’s a MAN. I don’t disagree that he rules a system. But, the Antichrist is an individual man.

      Thank you, Jason.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

      • Just like you can quote at least 3 words from the NT, those who believe in the rapture can do the same and believe wholeheartedly that they’ll be floated off in a cloud before the destruction, when in actuality, both are wrong..
        As you have given proof for the pre-trib lie. I’ve provided likewise, as well the names of the Master Jesuits who cooked up the left behind doctrine (including the single antichrist as well as the rapture). However, like some of your readers, you’ve chosen to disregard my evidence. You’re tearing down a lie, while at the same time fueling another that goes hand in hand, where’s your credibility?

        Do you know the significance of Jacob’s brother Esau?
        Do you know they are both very much alive and are in their rightful place according to prophecy?
        No they aren’t the Zionists or the people in Israel, who are deceptively (some even ignorantly) claiming to be descendants of Jacob when they are not. This point was so crucial Christ mentioned it twice in Revelation, chapter 2:9 and 3:9. Israelites have not yet been restored to their land, we are still very much scattered. I’d know because I’m a true Hebrew Israelite from the seed of Asher and it was written that once Christ brings us back into our home, there will be everlasting peace.
        Has there been peace since the satanic UN established the land in 1948?

        I mean no disrespect, but only feel compelled out of love to correct someone when they are wrong. In the following comment I will quote precepts to break-down 2 Thesselonians 2:3

        (I had to cut my comment in half in order to fall under the 300 word maximum. I really hope you take these words into consideration).

        • Hi Jason A,

          I’m not sure how you can around 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. It says ‘Man of Sin’, so it will be a ‘Man of Sin’. I mean, we DO need to take the Bible at its word.

          As for your point about Israel. I’m sorry, but the Jews that are in Israel today, really are Israel. They have done DNA tests, and the results are conclusive. Having said that, Jesus did not include the need for genetic testing in Luke 21:24.

          I appreciate your passion, Jason. But, the claim that the Israel of today isn’t the Israel that God was intending to save…

          …well, your claim isn’t scriptural.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

      • Genesis 27:41 – And Esau hated Iacob…then will I slay my brother Iacob.

        Genesis 36:12 – And Timna was concubine to Eliphaz Esaus sonne, and she bare to Eliphaz Amalek

        Amalek’s mother Timna was the sister of Lotan the son of Seir the Horite (fallen angels). If you read Jasher or Enoch, you’d know the fallen angels congregated in Mount Seir aka Hermon (the Paramount logo of stars falling down and circling the mountain is symbolic). Esau linked in the with the fallen angels and therefore have nephillim blood. Hence, John 8:44 – Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of the father ye will do.

        Numbers 24:20 – And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, Amalek was the first of the nations, but his latter end shall be, that hee perish forever.

        Romans 9:13 – As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

        2 Esdras 6:9 – For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.

        Esau is the man of sin, Amalekites/Zionists/Synagogue of Satan are the sons of perdition. Just because theres a singular term man/son, it doesn’t always literally mean that.

        We’re already in the New World Order. One world currency – the dollar, one world army – the UN army, one world government – the zionists who control everything and already run the world, and the one world religion – islam, christianity, catholicism, new age, you name it, most of the 7 billion people in the world are already following Satan and they don’t even know it. There won’t be a single man who will be the head of anything, the devil is the only one who has the power to manipulate any government or army,

        • Hi Jason A,

          Unfortunately, you’ve taken your unbiblical position and turned it into outright opposition to God.


          This is what happens when you play with the doctrine of devils and mystics.

          You are playing with heresy, Jason, and that is a dangerous, dangerous thing. I worry for your soul.

          Furthermore, you accuse ‘zionism’ falsely. The Jews were brought by God to their rightful homeland, and God has blessed them there. This is the partial fulfillment of Zechariah 36 and 37. And, we are on the cusp of the complete fulfillment of those chapters.

          The fact that you dare to resist God in His work in the Land of Israel, worries me. We will only survive what is coming by the grace of God. And, I believe that God’s grace has left you.

          You must repent of this Jason. You have no hope, if you do not.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

  8. John,

    Thank God for you and the time you dedicate to providing so much valuable information. I have listened to a number of your shock casts over the last couple of days and am trying to catch up, while finding that balance of faith with feeling overloaded with information. My husband has never really been taught anything about prophesy, the end times, or the book of Revelation. Seeing scriptural evidence of a mid-trib rapture (after already feeling in my gut for years that a pre-trib rapture just didn’t make sense) I am interested in doing a study on the book of Revelation with my husband to further our understanding of what seems to have already started to come to pass. I am surprised with the number of people that I know that believe in a pre-trib rapture. (Mind blowing) Do you have any suggestions on a study that I can get to go along with us reading our Bibles to help further our understanding of God’s word?

    Thank you and God bless you.


    • Hi Rebecca,

      I’m sorry, but I don’t know of any prepared studies to work with. I’ve always just studied the Bible on my own. I’m not sure if I’ve ever actually read a commentary.

      Actually, my biggest recommendation is to read the prophets starting with Isaiah and going all the way through to Malachi and then restarting with Isaiah again.

      Oh, and I do have a site that deals with prophecy. It’s needs a bit more work, but there’s a lot there:


      It deals specifically with Israel, but there’s a lot of other stuff involved.

      I hope this helps, Rebecca. God bless you and your husband.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Rebecca,
      I did a very good study of Revelation through You Tube using the videos done by Steven Anderson from Arizona. His videos are listed under the name sanderson1611. He uses scriptures from many different books of the Bible to disprove the pre-trib rapture, and then solidify the 3 1/2 year tribulation with the “Day of the Lord” in the middle and the “Rath” during the last 3 1/2 years. These videos have helped me understand Revelation tremendously.

      • Hi Terrye,

        I concur. Steven Anderson does an excellent job of demolishing the pre-trib lie. And, I’ve used one of his videos, myself.

        However, Steven then goes on to stumble and fall in his resistance to what God is doing in the Land of Israel, with the people of Israel. So, just be careful with what is said in Steven’s videos.

        Thank you, Terrye.

        Yours in Christ,

        John Little

  9. The pre-tribulation rapture is true. God has a history of taking His people before the destruction.

    I always wonder about those who have an interpretation of The Bible and then write headlines and articles like THEY know for sure.

    The truth is there is opinion on both sides of the aisle and only time will tell and no-one knows for sure. I know in my mind there is a pre-trib rapture and noone is going to tell me different. You know The Bible. Read it.

    • Hi Miggy,

      I have provided ample proof from the Bible, itself, that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Lie is false doctrine. You have chosen to ignore this.

      Whatever comes from this choice is on your own head – not mine.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

    • Pre-Trib theory is primarily an American doctrine brought in by Darby around the 1830’s. It is relatively new when you consider how long holy scripture has been around.

      The Scofield Bible contained many notes alongside Holy Scripture promoting Darby’s notions of a Pre-Trib idea.
      Matthew 24 lays to rest this notion. Jesus spends much time explaining the end times to his deciples who specifically asked when the end of days would occur.

      Miggy…I hope you will be like a noble Berean and research what we are sharing with you.

      Peace and Love…let Him Shine.

      • That sounds like what the catholics might say about the doctrine of salvation by faith: “primarily a German doctrine brought in by Luther around the 1500’s. It is relatively new when you consider how long holy scripture has been around.” A clever trick, to ascribe a clear teaching in the Bible to someone who rediscovered it at a time when ordinary people not connected to the political power structure were beginning to rediscover the truths in the Bible which had been suppressed by the catholic church for centuries. I’ve even heard it said that the rapture is a jesuit teaching, which is a joke, as the catholic church does not teach pretribulationism!

        [DELETED BY JL]

        By the way, John, your personal definition of what is, or is not heresy does not give you the right to censor the views of others. If you want a free and open board, let people have their say, or your comments section will be a partisan, one-sided rant supporting only one side of what is a valid debate.

        • Hi AusKiwi,

          Sorry, but that last paragraph was just BEGGING me to censor the heresy in your comment. I couldn’t help myself.

          Please understand that I am responsible to God for what appears here. God doesn’t believe in freedom of speech, and I don’t either. If it’s heresy, it won’t appear here. I believe in freedom of truth. Nothing else matters.

          I’m afraid that your thoughts about the pretrib lie are false. It is true that the Catholics do not preach pretribulationism to their own people. However, one Jesuit DID preach it to protestants. And, the Jesuits have vowed to corrupt the Protestants.

          Most important, you are unable to answer the following:


          I have proven there, that there is NO pre-tribulation rapture. It’s a lie, and the words of Jesus prove it.

          Please prepare for difficult times, AusKiwi. We can argue about eschatology after we get past the difficult days ahead.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little

          • John, unfortunately your certainty and dogmatism does not make your beliefs right. However, be that as it may, if I write something in my own name that is not a strike against you. I don’t believe God judges me if I get it wrong. Freedom of speech is closely related to free will, both of which are free gifts from God. I suspect you are all bound up in legalism and are under law rather than grace so would dispute the above points but that doesn’t prevent me from appropriating the grace and wisdom of God in my life or from expressing it wherever free speech is allowed in line with both the law and Spirit of God. Pity you deleted the link which backed up my argument regarding the Jesuits however I am sure that readers will have the wisdom to Google and find out the truth for themselves.

  10. So what you are saying, John, is that you will not allow dissenting opinion in your comments section. That smacks of fascism. Why even have a comments section if people can’t have their say? I’d suggest that the REAL reason you won’t allow pretribbers to post arguments backed by scripture on your site, is that your own post trib stance won’t fare well when exposed to critical biblical scrutiny. If I had a pre trib website I would probably moderate it to screen out obscenities and personal insults but would welcome cogent biblical arguments from opposite points of view. The fact that you screened out mine proves to me that you are afraid of the truth because you have nothing to rebut it with. Prove me wrong by allowing the following to be posted:

     Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. – Matthew 24:40-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:40-44&version=NIV


    • Hi AusKiwi,

      Well, I guess that God is a fascist, because HE didn’t allow divergent opinions on HIS website – the Bible.

      Furthermore, I find it strange that you think that I am required to allow anyone to promote heretical views on omegashock.com. How utterly amazing.

      Do you understand how crazy that sounds?

      What you are saying is that I should have the right to place signs in your front yard, advocating anything that I want – whether you like it or not.

      If you want to promote your, go ahead – ON YOUR OWN WEBSITE.

      But, since you chose to tell me what you think that the Bible says, I’ll tell you what the Bible ACTUALLY says:

      The Antichrist must come before the Rapture

      The Tribulation must come before the Rapture

      The Lord Must descend from Heaven with a Shout before the Rapture

      Jesus Must Return before the Rapture

      The Resurrection must happen just before the Rapture (or, at the same time)

      And, you can find all the scripture that backs all that up, here:


      AusKiwi, to choose to believe a lie – and to spread it – are sins. And, I will NOT participate in sin.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  11. John,

    I give up. Can’t argue with a brick wall, or even have a reasoned debate with one.
    Once again, you refused to post my exegesis of even 1 short passage of scripture.
    At least you posted the scripture itself, so I guess those readers with wisdom who are willing to listen to the Holy Spirit, can maybe get at the truth that way. They certainly aren’t going to get if from you. You can’t even offer an alternative exegis of Matthew 24-40-44. Just more dogmatism.

    I actually agree with some of what you say, just not all of it. The antichrist does have to come before the rapture and in fact is probably in the world already,
    Some say it is Obama, others say the Pope. Could even be somebody else.
    Satan’s hand won’t be forced to reveal him as such however, until after the rapture has happened. I also agree that a resurrection has to occur before the rapture, that much is clear from scripture. Then a second resurrection at the second coming. There have been other such resurrections in the past, such as at the time of Jesus death, people were raised from the dead and were seen walking around.

    Clearly your views are as strongly held as mine, but only one of us is right. That’s NOT a sin, on either of our part, we are just human beings who can’t predict the future. No man knows the day nor the hour. Perhaps we are fools to speculate either way, but that is the nature of humanity, we want to know the truth so we form these theories to enlighten ourselves. It’s where the Bible gets involved that things get contentious however. I have come to the conclusion that there’s no point in being self-righteous about stuff like this. I am justified by faith in Christ alone, not by my works, my theories or anything else I have done. So I will continue to trust in Christ, and if the pre trib rapture occurs I will be vindicated. If not, you can say I told you so and I’ll agree. Either way, my faith will remain in Christ. One thing is for sure, when the antichrist is revealed, if we are all still here then we are in for a rough ride. We’ll both need our faith in Christ if that happens.

    Yours in Christ.

    Greg Annett

    • Hi Greg,

      I’m sorry that you feel that way. The truth will always be a ‘brick wall’.

      I am confused by your belief that I am under obligation to post views full of error, when they exceed the 300 word rule. You will notice that there are already 43 comments in this section.

      Furthermore, you have chosen to ignore the words of Jesus. He specifically said:

      Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

      – Matthew 24:29-31


      I am mystified by your continued and premeditated rejection of the words of Christ. Those three verses describe THE RAPTURE, and it is AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

      This rejection of the words of Christ is a sin.

      You do not cease to become a brother in Christ because of it, but you will suffer for it. There are consequences for sin, and I do not wish for you to suffer them.

      You need to read this:


      Thank you, Greg. I am glad that you maintain your faith in Jesus.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

  12. Hi John,

    You are clearly under a deep deception which has you interpreting scriptures incorrectly, however as your “brick wall” stubbornness is a human effort of will which has nothing to do with receiving truth from the Holy Spirit, I don’t have much desire to continue with this conversation. Others in the pre trib camp have answered these questions sufficiently well that I don’t have to.

    Briefly however, the use of the word “elect” by Jesus in Matthew 24 refers to those who are left behind after the rapture but are “elect” or chosen by God to be saved in spite of their previous lack of faith. God sees into the future and knows that some hearts will be changed after the rapture, as the tribulation will shake all that can be shaken, shaking the faith of these people to the core, which is Christ. Secondly, the “four winds” refers to heaven, which is where the believers will all be by the end of the age, some having been raptured, and others having been martyred during the tribulation. By the way, ignoring the meaning of one scripture that doesn’t support your preconceived view, in order to focus on another which you can more easily twist around, is not a way to arrive at the truth. I still haven’t seen you explain how Matthew 24-40-41 fits into a post-trib scenario.

    • Hi AusKiwi,

      Well, I see that this strong delusion has you by the throat.

      You refuse to answer the scriptures that I’ve given you. I find that to be interesting. By your silence, you have shown that you recognize that you are wrong, but do not wish to admit it.

      Jesus said that the rapture would happen AFTER THE TRIBULATION.

      Paul said that the Rapture would happen after the Antichrist arrives, at the time of the resurrection.

      Greg, you are in rebellion against God, and that will not end well for you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little

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