Prophecy Clock – The Rapture

I’ve been trying to avoid this topic for a long time. I don’t like controversy, and this site is really about only one thing – helping you survive what is coming. Unfortunately, I’ve painted myself into a corner, so we need to talk about this subject.

The problem is that if you believe that the rapture will happen before anything bad comes… well, you won’t prepare. And, history is full of what happens to people who believe that nothing bad can happen to them. Please remember that it doesn’t matter what YOU think about what God is saying. It truly only matters what GOD thinks about what He is saying.

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Prophecy Clock – The Rapture

Since this article threatens to be pretty long, I’m going to discuss the undeniable evidence first. And no, you CANNOT argue with these verses.

Absolute Proof First

Paul reached out to the church in Thessalonica because they were thrown into turmoil over the idea of the Rapture. It appears that someone was telling them that they had missed it. Here is what Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

The Antichrist MUST come before the Rapture. There is no other way that you can interpret this verse. None.

But, there’s more to be said.

Before 2 Thessalonians, there was a 1 Thessalonians. Obviously, the church at Thessalonica was very interested in the Rapture. Pauls says this in chapter 4:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

(See also: 1st Corinthians 15:51-53)

This raises an important question:

How many resurrections are there?

Just two and only two – the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the unjust. (John 5:29, Revelation 20, etc.) And, they are a thousand years apart.

So, the Antichrist and the resurrection of ‘the just’ must happen before the Rapture. And no, there is no other way to interpret these verses. None.

But, we’re STILL not done.

Jesus spoke about the Rapture in Matthew 24:27-28 and then hammers the point home:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

(See also Mark 13:24-27)

This is Jesus, our Lord and Savior telling us that the Rapture MUST HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION!

Please, did you get that?

The Rapture happens AFTER THE TRIBULATION. There is NO OTHER WAY TO INTERPRET THOSE VERSES!

Period. End of Statement.

So, we have three passages that offer complete evidence that the Antichrist MUST come first, that the Resurrection of the Just MUST come first, that the Tribulation MUST come first.

Is there any part of this that you did not understand?

These Three Happen Before The Rapture

Let me say this again. I have offered you three passages that cannot be argued with, and they tell us that these three things MUST happen before the Rapture:

  • The Antichrist
  • The Tribulation
  • The Resurrection

There will be no Rapture until after those three things. Period.

Get This Right, Or Die

Now, there’s a reason why I am so passionate about this, and it’s the same reason why this website exists. If you don’t get this, and if you don’t prepare, you are going to die a terrible death.

When I proved to you that the Resurrection must happen before the Rapture, the verses that almost immediately follow that passage, say this:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

Right now, the people who speak the loudest about ‘peace and safety’ are those who either 1) support Obama or 2) believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture.

Revelation 12

I was asked to give an interpretation of Revelation 12, and I finally sent it out last night. That chapter talks about Satan being cast down to Earth and about the beginning of the Tribulation. It also offers a reason why some Christians will NOT experience the wrath of God during the Tribulation and WHY they survive the Antichrist:

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.Revelation 12:6

And, Revelation 12 repeats this here:

And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.Revelation 12:13-14

If you want to escape the Antichrist and the wrath of God… get to that place in the wilderness that has been prepared by God for the coming of the Tribulation. It is the Tribulation equivalent to the Land of Goshen, when the Children of Israel were sheltered from the plagues of Egypt, that were sent by God.

That woman in Revelation 12, is Israel. She gave birth to Christ, and she wears a crown of 12 stars. And, when this part of Revelation 12 happens, she will already have accepted Christ. She will already have been a follower of Jesus, before she escapes the Antichrist.

The Chilling Part Of Revelation 12

Here’s the chilling part:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.Revelation 12:17

Please understand what is being said here. If you are not with this woman, or at least in a position to go where this woman goes… you will die an awful death at the hands of the Antichrist.

Period.

Worse, most of you will probably have died a terrible death already, because there is just a remnant that the Antichrist goes to fight against.

Why will there be just a remnant?

Solar EMP

Well there are a host of possible reasons, and I’ve described many of them on this site. But, there is one Biblical reason what concerns me the most:

And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.Ezekiel 39:6

THAT happens during the coming of Gog and Magog, a battle that will usher in the salvation of Israel. The problem is that the ‘fire’ of Ezekiel 39:6 sounds like a Solar EMP. If that is true, you will die terribly, if you are not prepared.

This Solar EMP may also make it impossible for you get to that ‘wilderness place’ that God is going to prepare for the Revelation 12 Woman. It will do terrible damage to the transportation systems of North America and Europe – should you survive this ‘fire’.

Now is the time to choose whether or not to join the ‘Peace and Safety’ Christians. If you choose the truth, you might be able to join the Revelation 12 Woman who is protected from the wrath of the Antichrist and the wrath of God. However, just like those few children of Israel that may have chosen not to believe God during the Passover plague, you will suffer the wrath of God – if you choose not to believe what God is telling you here.

Judgment Begins At The House Of God

Please understand that God IS going to pour out His wrath upon the church because of their sins and their disbelief. For proof, look no further than this:

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1 Peter 4:17-18

God is furious at the sin in the church. We have become just like the world, and by our actions, we have blasphemed the name of God. We deserve the wrath of a holy God, and we’re going to get it. But, you don’t have to suffer that wrath.

You can obey God and avoid what is coming. The obedient are never appointed unto wrath, but the disobedient ALWAYS are.

Will you obey?

Rebellion

God has harsh words for those who rebel against Him:

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.1 Samuel 15:23

If you have gotten to this point in this article, you know that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory is wrong. You might still be fighting it, but deep down, you know that we are going through the Tribulation. And, if you keep fighting this, you are in rebellion against God.

And, rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft in the eyes of God. (And, you know who they worship in witchcraft.)

Furthermore, this is not the first time that I’ve talked about this.

Jesuit Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory Fraud

In February of last year, I proved to you that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory was a fraud. It was started by a book published in 1811 – written by a Jesuit priest, Manuel Lacunza. That book was published ten years after his death, and it has infected Christianity with its Jesuit lie. I traced the history of this infection, here:

http://www.omegashock.com/2013/02/20/jesuit-pretrib-rapture/

It went from the Jesuits to Edward Irving. From Irving, it went to John Nelson Darby. From Darby, it went to Cyrus Ingerson Scofield. When it got to Scofield, it was all over.

Are you going to fall for a Jesuit lie?

Please remember that the Jesuits are the same people that brought you the Illuminati.

If you need a video, there’s this one:

“After the Tribulation: The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Fraud Exposed” Official Movie

YouTube shortlink: http://youtu.be/jTmZHDb_sP8

You Must Love The Truth

By now, you have seen the truth. I am now calling you to love the truth. Loving something doesn’t mean that you like it, but it does mean that you hold to it, anyway. But, if you choose not to love the truth, beware.

Please take heed to what Paul says:

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.2 Thessalonians 2:8-12

I strongly dislike the idea that we are going to go through the Tribulation. I hate pain and suffering, and I hate the thought that the people I love will be suffering also. But, I am commanded to love the truth, and that means accepting it – even though I do not want to.

I accept what the Bible says about going through the Tribulation, even though I do not like it.

Will you join me in this acceptance of The Truth?

True Biblical Proof

So, let me bring you back to where we started, the Bible. I showed you that there are three things that MUST happen before the Rapture, and there is no way that you can get around these proofs. Here are those three things that must come BEFORE THE RAPTURE:

  • The Antichrist
  • The Tribulation
  • The Resurrection

There will be no Rapture until after those three things. Period.

Again, here is what Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

This means that the Antichrist MUST come before the Rapture.

Then, Paul says this here in chapter 4:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

(See also: 1st Corinthians 15:51-53)

There are only two resurrections (John 5:29, Revelation 20, etc.), and the Resurrection of the Just MUST come BEFORE the Rapture.

Jesus spoke about the Rapture in Matthew 24:27-28 and then hammers the point home:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:29-31

(See also Mark 13:24-27)

This is Jesus, our Lord and Savior telling us that the Rapture MUST HAPPEN AFTER THE TRIBULATION!

Please, did you get that?

The Rapture happens AFTER THE TRIBULATION. There is NO OTHER WAY TO INTERPRET THOSE VERSES!

Period. End of Statement.

So, we have three passages that offer complete evidence that the Antichrist MUST come first, that the Resurrection of the Just MUST come first, that the Tribulation MUST come first.

Is there any part of this that you did not understand?

These Three Happen Before The Rapture

You CANNOT argue with those three verses, if you love the truth. And, you cannot be worthy to escape the Tribulation (Luke 21:36), if you do not love the truth.

Again, these three things must come BEFORE THE RAPTURE:

  • The Antichrist
  • The Tribulation
  • The Resurrection

There will be no Rapture until after those three things. Period.

Are you ready for this?
(That’s a link. Do more than just think about it.)

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NOTE: After writing this, some of you mentioned that I was presenting an incorrect chronological order. That was not my intention, so let me emphasize that:

The Antichrist is revealed before/as the Tribulation begins.

The resurrection happens at the end of the Tribulation (or just after).

And the Rapture happens moments after (if not at the same time) the resurrection.

I hope that clarifies things.

John Little

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If you find a flaw in my reasoning, have a question, or wish to add your own viewpoint, leave a comment. Your input is truly welcome.

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80 thoughts on “Prophecy Clock – The Rapture

  1. Brother John, I most certainly agree with you. I have been a Christian for over 25 yrs and was saved in a pre-trib church. About 15 yrs ago the Lord opened my eyes to the truth in a study I was doing in Matthew. It has been extremely difficult at times to witness this to others, yet He constantly reminds me “It is not by might nor power, but My spirit, saith the Lord of hosts”. My question to you is where do we flee? We live in the country on the eastern side of the country with minimal means. Are you suggesting that those who can, move to Israel? I would give all the possessions I have to do just that, however, without the Lords’ define intervention, it’s not feesible. Any suggestions, we have prepared for sometime.

    • Hi debra,

      God bless you, sister.

      It truly bothers me that I do not have an answer to give you about ‘the wilderness’ in Revelation 12. It’s easy for me to tell everyone to go live in Israel, but that’s just not possible for everyone – especially those of limited means.

      Maybe there will be other places considered, a wilderness?

      Will there be places that will be contaminated by radiation that we will flee to, knowing that we only need to live there for 3.5 years?

      I really don’t know. But, I certainly have my eyes open, looking for such a place. I truly believe that we will see more clearly as that time approaches.

      As it says in Luke 21:36, our prayer is that we be worthy to escape. God is at work and has a way – if we are worthy.

      Keep up the good work, Debra. It’s great to see someone with her eyes open and loving the truth.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      PS. Don’t forget to buy silver!

  2. Fantastic article john. I am finding more and more “Christians” are not willing to research the scriptures, and accept the words of a pastor. This is a sad state in the corporate church now-a-days. That is why there is a remnant. Because when tribulation comes, the “church” will scatter and LEAVE.
    We are at the brink of this, and people are just enjoying ishtar/christmas/ect, and church programs/agenda while satan is taking over. We are BLIND. Great article once again, it is based on SCRIPTURE.

    • Hi Nathan,

      I truly hope that you are right, that the use of ‘remnant’ means that Christians have scattered and are hard to get to.

      Will Christian ‘hole up’ in the Amazon jungle? Could be!

      Thank you, Nathan. I appreciate that.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  3. FINALLY! THANK YOU!!!! We’re all painted into a corner on this one! I’m pasting something I submitted to SQ last week – it’s an encouraging word for what we’re about to go through…please feel free to edit or delete as you see fit. I’m not trying to divert the subject at all…

    I had a dream, or maybe it was a vision, in the early morning hours as I was waking up. I saw Satan cast out of the second heaven. (That’s what friends of mine call, “The Gap.” It’s where we stand in the Spirit when we do intercession for someone, blocking Satan’s attacks against those whom we protect.) This is coming soon:

    “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ‘Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.’ “ (Rev 12:7-10)

    What I’m getting is, when this happens, there will be no more Gap. And this is when the Glory of the Lord will have risen upon us, those who have kept ourselves pure before Him, when we become the bright shining ones and do the greatest exploits.

    The other thing that’s awesome about this is that there will be no more delayed travel from Heaven to Earth regarding angelic dispatches, like what happened to Daniel when it took 21 days. There will be a true Open Heaven with no 2nd-heaven-hindrance.

    This is also why the only way Satan will be able to overcome us is if God gives Him the power to do so, just as the Scripture says, “It was granted to him [the beast] to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.” (Rev 13:7)

    I was asking, “Lord, why will you give the beast power over us?” I heard, “That the evil within the heart of man may be fully expressed, that my justice may be made full.”

    The Scripture says, “Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!” (Rev 12:12)
    GOD’S PEOPLE MUST REMEMBER THIS: WE DWELL IN HEAVEN! We can therefore rejoice over this event! Why?

    “But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN THE HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.” (Eph 2:4-7)

    We are already seated in Heaven with Christ, in the highest place of authority in the universe. So, what is about to happen to us?

    “Arise, shine; For your light has come! And the glory of the LORD is risen upon you. For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, And deep darkness the people; But the LORD will arise over you, And His glory will be seen upon you.” (Isa 60:1-2)

    Be encouraged! We will fulfill our testimonies if we persevere through to the end!

  4. Hi John,

    Lou Dobbs had an interview about EMP’s last week and I thought it was interesting the guest said the only two countries with hardened grids were China and Russia:

    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3497189141001/us-unprepared-for-the-results-of-an-electromagnetic-pulse/#sp=show-clips

    This would explain why tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble the Antichrist. Daniel 11:44. Maybe everyone else will be out of the picture.

  5. Dear John Little:
    Thank you for your insight and truth. I was taught that Revelation chapter 12 was about Israel and that 1/3 remnant that is taken into the wilderness is Bozrah, otherwise known as Petra. The people of Israel are supposed to flee there once they see the abomination that makes desolate, Antichrist declares himself as god in the Temple. From that midpoint of the tribulation the destruction of Jews begins, whereas the previous time of 3.5 years was the persecution of Christians. So despite this applying to Israel, we true Christians are also supposed to do this wilderness march. I was under the impression that true Christians would recognize the Antichrist when he makes a peace covenant with Israel for 7 years, not 5 or 10 years. I seek the truth, but am confused because people like Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a Messianic Jew, from Ariel.org preach a Pre-trib Rapture citing those same verses as yourself and many others to support their argument. I still think my 2nd previous post, still under review, is valid. The true meaning of some scripture and prophecy would be revealed just before we are there. Just as Martin Luther’s Reformation against Church Heresy, revealed that we are saved by Faith alone. With that Faith and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we would do Good works, not of Human urgings (lest you should boast) but of the Spirit. However, perhaps if I had a Hebrew Bible translated into English, that would clear things up. Just for reference here is a link to Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum:
    http://arunrajesh.com/BibleStudy/mbs039m.pdf He also has a youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTv_c4N91oI‎
    I humbly ask for your consideration. I am not saying you are wrong, but the real point is that we should read the Bible, watch, prepare and pray that we be worthy to escape these things just like Noah and his family and Lot. Sorry your followers have stirred up a hornet’s nest, but the truth (salvation) is worth it. God bless in Christ. Thanks, Norbert.

    • Hi Norbert,

      I wish that I could tell you that I agree with Dr. Fruchtenbaum, but I can’t. He’s caught in the same dispensationalist trap that so many others are caught in. And, the ideas of dispensationalism and the pre-tribulation rapture are closely intertwined. You cannot eliminate the one without eliminating the other.

      God does not make a difference between Jews and Gentiles, in Christ. Nor, is the salvation of those in the Old Testament different than those of us in our New Testament Age. To say otherwise is to show a shallow understanding of the Bible.

      Otherwise, how could the Old and New Testaments be so closely woven together? How could they agree so well?

      Unfortunately, there are so few pastors these days that are willing to preach the truth boldly, so I do not know who to send you to, instead. We live in such a truly dark age.

      God bless you, Norbert.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  6. I want to thank-you for the news letters. Just a note in today’s newletter, you mention “These three happen before the Rapture”. I may be wrong, but I think what you meant to say was 1. The Antichrist 2. The falling away or apostasy, 3. The tribulation. I believe the Rapture and Resurrection of the Just are synonymous and happen after the tribulation.

    • Hi Jake,

      Thank you for picking up on that. I did not mean to indicate that these three things happened in the order that I showed them. I should have indicated that I was not establishing an order of occurrence.

      Thanks, Jake. Good call.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  7. The rapture is revealed both in the Old and New Testament, and cannot be attributed to any human suddenly coming to knowledge of the truth. That belief is a fallacy. Any source of information that is used in determining one’s position on the rapture of the Church, must be secondary to the Bible itself. 2 Peter 1:20 “Know this that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation.”

    Many look at selected portions of scripture or their favorite “proof” verses never considering the complete picture, and as a result, things are not kept in context. If you place the rapture at the end of the tribulation or even half way through, you will have many problems with many verses of scripture. You can of course just ignore the verses that don’t suit your view. If you place the rapture at the start of the tribulation, everything falls into place like pieces of a puzzle. The church is not seen on earth in the Revelation after the close of chapter three. There are clearly many who are saved in the tribulation period, but they are not part of the church. The true church is seen in the Revelation, but it is already heaven.

    The biggest lie believed by those who don’t hold to a Pre-Tribulation rapture, is that this belief is ‘new doctrine.’ It is not new. It was preached by the Apostle Paul, the early church and many since. There are far too many historical examples to mention here. Another major problem with the post-tribulation view, is that it denies the imminence of the rapture. Once the tribulation begins, the days are numbered, people will know exactly when the end is.

    Rev. 19:7-9

    Rev. 19:11-16

    If you can, please explain what the above Scripture says to you, as it is written, it would be greatly appreciated. Remember also, there is no need to condemn and reject those that have a different view. How you handle disagreement is an insight into your own heart!
    Yours in Christ, Anon

    • Hi Anon,

      I find it interesting that you chose to not answer any of my proofs. And, I know why – because you can’t answer them.

      Furthermore, you have not offered proof that what you’ve said is true. I have proof. Where is yours?

      Third, the scriptures that you offered in your comment do not have bearing on the discussion of the timing of the Rapture. This is yet another demonstration of how shallow the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is. The only way that you can make it work, is by distorting the Bible. I know from personal experience that if you distort the Bible enough, you become unable to see it in its undistorted form.

      It grieves me to see the Bible twisted in this way. Worse, it puts our brothers and sisters in grave jeopardy. And, their blood will be on the hands of all who preached this doctrine.

      We will all one day stand before God one day and answer for the damage that we have done. You must turn from this path immediately. You risk the wrath of a holy God.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      PS. Please try to keep your comments to within 300 words.

  8. Thank you, thank you for pointing out so vigorously that the antichrist comes first. I can never figure out how the pre-tribbers will so glibly state that the rapture is first when it is so clear in Scripture. But now I am confused. I thought the resurrection was the “rapture”. Please explain what you mean by the resurrection of the just that happens before the tribulation. Thank you.

    • Hi Mary,

      Sorry to confuse you. This list of my ‘three proofs’ were not to be seen as in order, and it’s my fault for not making that clear. I was merely writing them out as I thought of them.

      The order is: 1) Antichrist pops up. 2) Tribulation begins 3) Close to the end, the resurrection 4) immediately followed by the taking up of those that are still alive.

      The difference between the resurrection and the rapture?

      Well, there really isn’t any. At least, I can’t think of any. I’m just trying to describe all this in words that are common to all of us.

      Thank you, Mary, for being such a sharp reader!

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  9. Hi John…
    You have given me ammo for a gospel tract with your comment “you can ignore the truth, but you cannot ignore the consequences of the truth”. There has never been a truer statement and it carries a broad application.
    My Asian wife and I, like you and yours, live in the Orient. We won’t be able to go to Israel as we are old-timers with limited income. We will stay put and help our local ‘post-trib-believing’ church as long as we can. She and I have done about all we can do for now, which is to obey the admonition “come our of her my people…” of Rev. 18:4. I, like many, believe that is a reference to the USA. I used to think (and hope) that the “eagle’s wings” of Rev. 12 referred to America, but given the politics of today, I believe now that the great eagle’s wings refer to God. America doesn’t seem interested in helping Israel these days.
    Brother John, there is a fourth event has to happen before the catching away, and that is that of the heavenly signs. This is not referring to the present”blood moons”. Matthew 24:29 says “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken”…and then the catching away of the Church of verse 30-31. The same heavenly signs are found in Acts 2:20 “…before that great and notable day of the Lord come”. Joel calls it the “great and TERRIBLE day of the Lord”. (Joel 2:30-31). A further reference seems to put the heavenly signs BEFORE the WRATH OF GOD, (the vials of Rev. 15-16) and those verses are found in Rev. 6:12-17. My point is, the tribulation is the evil time of satan. The wrath of God may come after the tribulation, and maybe even after the rapture, thus we could say “For God hath not appointed us to wrath…” (I Thes.5:9). (This verse seems to bother a lot of people, as many pre-tribbers think that ‘wrath’ refers to the tribulation and offer it as proof that the church will be gone then).
    The heavenly signs can be of great help if one is hiding in the wilderness away from news sources. He can be assured that the rapture has happened as long as the heavenly signs haven’t occurred.
    BTW, those caves under the mountains and cities in the USA won’t be of much help to the elite, it doesn’t look like. The kings, etc., “said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne…For the great day of His wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?” (Vs. 16-17) I am hoping we will be gone during the ‘wrath of God’ part.
    John, it’s such a pleasure conversing with a man with your Bible understanding as well as the capacity to put it together with current events. Are you familiar with Irving Baxter who puts out “End-time” magazine? You can find some youtube presentations by him. He, like you, is very knowledgeable on prophecy.
    In Christ’s Bonds….
    John

  10. John,

    I discovered your site late last year (2013) while I was in the process of waking up to these things myself. I really appreciate your tireless efforts to help us see the truth of the Word and of the things going on in this world.

    Early in this process, as I studied the scriptures myself, I began to question my long held belief in the pre-tribulation rapture, and soon realized it was not directly supported in the Bible. I realized most of my understanding of the pre-tribulation rapture was based on works of fiction and the words of teachers, not the words of the Bible itself.

    The video included here, which I first saw after you linked in the comment section of another article, does a great job of clearly showing what the scriptures actually say. I have shared it with others and so far no one has been able to argue against it, though I’m not sure yet if it has changed anyone’s mind. I will share your article here as well. I think you have done a great job summarizing the keep passages that have to be ignored or have some convoluted argument made up for them to fit a pre-tribulation scenario.

    I would also point out that those who argue Matthew 24 is only for the Jews need to read the end of the parallel passage you pointed out with Mark 13:37 clearly showing that Jesus was talking to all of us in telling us what we need to watch for.

    Keep up the good work!

  11. The taking away of believers/end time events has always been of great interest and study for me. I have read and re-read the Book of the Revelation of John over 100 times; at least. I have gone back to Thessalonians 1 and 2, as well as Matthew 24 more times than I can count, (In addition to Daniel, and other scriptures that talk about end times). First and foremost…I find no piece of scripture that talks about a 7 year time span for the great tribulation. Yes, many bible nerds will point to Daniel…but remember, that messiah is “cut off” half way through those 7 years (aka: Jesus). That leaves God’s timeline remaining at 3 1/2 years..which we all know is 1,260 days. God writes mysteries in his word. So I re-read Revelation, yet again…and frankly, 1,260 days is all it says for the great tribulation’s time span. 7 Years nowhere exists in the bible for the length of the great tribulation. One verse in Daniel about the “70 weeks” does not justify teaching a 7 year tribulation; especially when God states specifically that the great tribulation will last 1,260 days SEVERAL times in the book of Revelation. If God writes 1,260 days SEVERAL times to make his point..then I believe him.

    • Hi MeAndMyArrow,

      Amen! I believe the same way.

      I’ve never really understood a ‘seven year tribulation’, but have chosen to concentrate on the far more damaging idea of a pre-tribulation rapture.

      People need to stop believing in foolishness and prepare for catastrophe!

      Thank you, M.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  12. What does it mean ” The Resurrection”? Will bodies be raised out of ground? What about people who have no body to resurrect?

    • Hi Sue,

      I believe that this is a ‘word picture’. The vast majority of the ‘dead in Christ’ will have the components of their bodies scattered throughout the Earth. In fact, you and I might have molecules from such people.

      People forget that those of us who are still alive will lose our bodies also. We won’t need it, and we won’t want it.

      If that doesn’t answer your question properly, or if you have others, please let me know.

      Thank you, Sue.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  13. Correction : “He can be assured that the rapture has NOT happened as long as the heavenly signs haven’t occurred.”

  14. Brother John, please forgive my verbosity. I just noticed that you don’t accept letters over 300 words and I’m sure that my earlier email exceeded that.
    May I make another point or two though?
    Certain scriptures in the Bible seem to be parallel verses. A case in point is Rev. 10:7 and I Cor. 15:51-52. Notice that Rev. 10:7 says the “mystery of God should be finished” at this 7th trumpet. In I Cor. 15, Paul says that “behold, I shew you a mystery” then goes on to speak of the rapture”at the last trump”. “Mystery”…”trumpet…” There are no more trumpets mentioned in the Bible after this 7th one. The rapture could not have happened before the 7th one, because then there would be other trumpets after the rapture trumpet of Matthew 24:29/I Cor 15:52 and that goes against scripture.
    One other point. Hymenaeus and Philetus were obviously trouble-makers “who concerning the truth, have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and otherthrow the faith of some.” (II Tim. 2:17-18) This appears to be the error that Paul is addressing in II Thes. 2:1-3. I Tim 1:20 says that Paul delivered Hymenaeus up unto satan. He was that put out with the booger.
    I received the Holy Ghost in l976. My pastor, bless his heart, was and is pre-trib. His teaching on the chronology of Matthew 24 confused me and I asked God to show me what He was getting at. He gave me a dream where I was in a secreted valley, maybe in Arkansas. I was still grounded when suddenly the sky became dark as pitch in daytime. I knew the rapture was about to happen but I then woke up. I knew enough about the heavenly signs that it put me onto the truth. Maybe there will be some sanctuaries here and there.
    Sure hope so.
    Keep up the good work, son.
    Yours in Him
    John

    • Hi john varner,

      Good words. Boy, I hope so too. In fact, it is my fervent desire that there be sanctuaries.

      Luke 21:36 actually gives me hope that there are – for we are to pray for worthiness.

      Thank you, John.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  15. 1st Thess. 4 : 13 thru 16 Paul is explaining where the dead in Christ are. They are already with God. Further proof 2 Corr. 5:8 & Eccles. 12:7, The spirit shall return
    to God who gave it.
    1 Thess. 4:18 is saying that flesh that survives until Christ returns is instantly
    changed into spirit body. Further proof 1st Corr. 15:52
    Matt. 22:32 God is the God of the living, not the dead. Further proof is Luke 16:19
    thru 31. Lazarus had taken part in the first resurrection. The rich man had not, but was still very much aware and awake. The dead referred to in Rev 20:5 are
    also conscious, but didn’t take part in the 1st resurrection. The priests in Rev 20:6
    will be teaching the spiritually dead to prepare for a final test. Rev.20:3 & 20:7.
    Further proof 1st Peter 4:6 For this cause the Gospel is preached unto them that
    are dead, .
    Rev. 20:11 thru 15 is the Great White Throne Judgment and the second death.
    Further proof Matt 10:28.
    How many of the remnant in Rev 12:17 will survive until Christ returns? Jesus
    said that unless he shortened those days, no flesh would be saved.
    How convincing will the antichrist and company be? Jesus said that if it were
    possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    The non-studying, milk loving, rapture believing pew potatoes will unfortunately
    fall to him that deceiveth the whole world.

    • Hi Ron,

      Unfortunately, I agree with you. Most who call themselves Christian are not of Christ. I truly wish that it were otherwise.

      I’ve done some thinking in the past about what happens when we die. It’s an interesting mystery. It will be fascinating to have all these details cleared up.

      Of course, you have to die first.

      Thanks, Ron. Well said.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  16. Dear John Little:
    If you put 2 Thessolonians 2: 3-4 in its context – Paul is speaking about the future and goes on to say : the mystery of iniquity is already at work and only he that letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then the wicked one shall be revealed. Thus 2 Thes. 2: 6 – 8 shows that the Holy Spirit must be removed before the Antichrist is revealed. Removal of the Holy Spirit (believers with the spirit dead or alive) would be removed – the rapture. So rapture before Antichrist revealed. The Antichrist will be revealed when he signs a 7 year covenant (peace agreement) with Israel. Then the 7 year Tribulation begins, Book of Daniel.
    Then 1 Thess. 4: 16-17 could be described as pre-trib (Antichrist 7 year covenant with Israel) or mid-trib (Antichrist Abomination of desolation of the Jewish Temple) or post-trib ( Christ’s 2nd coming). But since WE meet Jesus in the air and he does not come down to physical land, pre/mid trib is probably correct.
    Next Matt 24: 29-31 describes Christ’s 2nd coming after the tribulation as he gathers believers and will then do battle against the Antichrist and the world’s armies.
    The next point is Revelation chapter 12. Chapter 12 is describing Israel and her child Jesus. This woman (Israel) must flee into the wilderness for 3.5 years to avoid Satan/Antichrist. This wilderness for Israel is Bozrah/Petra. The 3.5 year time frame would suggest that when Antichrist breaks the Covenant with Israel and commits the abomination that makes desolate (Antichrist as god in the temple) at the midpoint of 7 year covenant (3.5 years left), Israeli’s are to flee into the wilderness (Bozrah/Petrra). Since the wilderness is in reference to Israel, I don’t know if Christians should also flee. But perhaps we should whereever we are.
    Finally, the video for this article – After the Tribulation: The Pre-tribulation Fraud Exposed – I found those Baptist preachers only used the verses specifically that supported their argument, but never put those verses in the context of what was said before and after. Using context helps explain things better. Also, the speakers threw the word tribulation around like it describes the 7 year period in every instance. Sometimes tribulation is used in the same context/meaning as trials, troubles in life. Thanks, John for helping me to come to an understanding. So, since the Holy Spirit must be taken away first before Antichrist is revealed and Revelation does not mention the true Church from chapters 4 – 18, I still hold to the Pre-tribulation theory, and if its wrong, prepare for the others since I am a true believer. Also the Tribulation is a 7 year period from Daniel’s 70 weeks of 7 and is the final week (70th week). It starts with the 7 year covenant that Antichrist signs with Israel. The covenant is broken in the middle of the week (3.5 years) and then the Great Tribulation begins where the Jews are severly persecuted. I still hold pastors like Perry F. Rockwood and J. Vernon Magee and their radio ministries in high regard. So put me into the fire and refine me. Again, Thank you John and God bless

    • Hi Norbert,

      (I know that you are merely repeating what others have taught you, so what I describe below is actually directed at them.)

      I’m sorry, but your arguments do not hold up. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Clearly describes the Rapture. You cannot arbitrarily split verse one into two separate parts. That is twisting scripture and a sin.

      Second, who said that 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 describes the removal of the Holy Spirit? You are inferring what is not being said. What is being said is that there is an entity that is blocking the mystery of iniquity. ‘Tacking out of the way’ does NOT mean ‘completely remove’. This entity (The Holy Spirit) is ‘out of the way’ not removed. Furthermore, by saying this, you are also saying that Jewish Christians that are ‘left behind’ do not have the Holy Spirit!!! You are claiming something that the Bible does NOT say.

      Third, you are claiming (via 1 Thess. 4: 16-17) that there is a SECOND rapture, which is nowhere in the Bible. Why would Paul speak of a SECOND Rapture and forget to refer to the MAIN Rapture, when speaking to the Thessalonians? Well, that’s because the SECOND RAPTURE is actually, the ONLY Rapture. You need to start seeing how none of this is fitting together. There is only ONE resurrection, and it must happen BEFORE the Rapture. Period.

      Fourth, your analysis of Matthew 24 is correct. But, it seems that you do not understand that it destroys the pre-tribulation rapture theory. Verses 29 to 31 describe the Rapture. And, it’s not a second Rapture, because there is only one. There is NO evidence of two Raptures, which is why proponents of this false theory are careful not to talk about a ‘second rapture’.

      Fifth, I agree with your point about fleeing into the wilderness. I suspect that there will be many places on the planet that will offer similar places of sanctuary. Also, I have been to Petra, and I really do not see how a million Israelis could be nourished there for three and a half years. I really am mystified by this, myself. I think that we will understand AFTER Gog and Magog comes.

      Sixth, as to the video, I understand why they are careful to focus on their point. They have limited time, and they are trying to rescue Christians from a false teaching. And, pre-tribism is a truly deadly teaching, and I would hate to have been the men who spread it. They stand before an angry God, and will be judged and condemned for their lies.

      And yes, the pre-tribulation rapture theory is a lie from Satan – as all such lies are. You must understand this and prepare accordingly. We are approaching the penultimate moment in maybe a couple years, in which hundreds of millions of people will die. You must prepare. You must.

      You must open your Bible and read it. All of it, and turn off the false teachers. This pre-tribulation rapture theory is a lie, and you will suffer if you hold onto it.

      I truly pray that you get free of this trap, Norbert.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  17. Dear John. It might be helpful to students to understand that the Greek word
    for sky in the original manuscripts is ouranos. In 1st Thess. 4:17, sky is aer in
    the manuscripts, meaning to breath unconsciously. It is referring to our spiritual
    body, not sky. Second witness is 1st Corr. 15:52. 1st Thess.4:17 is saying that
    from that point forward we shall ever be with the Lord in our spiritual bodies,
    not ever with the Lord flying around in the sky. It actually might be helpful to
    stop using the “R” word since it is not even in the scriptures. He is coming back here one more time, all the way to the ground.
    In Matt. 24 and Mark 13, Jesus tells us that we “shall see” all of these things,
    speaking of the time leading up to and the tribulation. He also tells us elect’s sake those days will be shortened. Jesus also tells us that we have a purpose and a duty in being delivered up and allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through us for a testimony for HIS (Jesus) sake against them. Not to fly away , but to stay in the
    field working for his sake, and to watch. Mark 8:35, For whosoever will save his
    life shall loose it; but whosoever shall loose his life for my sake and the gospel’s,
    the same shall save it. 2nd witness Rev, 6:11 AND Rev. 20:4.
    May God continue to bless you John. In my experience it is almost impossible
    to open the eyes of those that have bought in to the rapture security blanket.
    2nd Thess. 2:10 thru 12 is something that I have witnessed many times.

    Your Truly in Christ, Ron

    • Hi Ron Hauser,

      Interesting points. I wish that I could get into the Greek on this, but I can’t. (It’s been literally decades.) So, I’ll have to be fairly non-committal on this. I do believe that our bodies will be transformed into something spiritual that can manifest in the physical – as physical. After all, Jesus – after His resurrection – had a spritual AND physical body, and ours will be like His.

      As to the ‘R Word’, I completely understand. However, this website is all about convincing people to change their minds about ‘preparation’, so my ‘target audience’ will be those who use the ‘R Word’. Those who truly understand what the Rapture is will also understand what I’m trying to say.

      You are also completely correct in that many of us will have our purpose in sacrificing our lives for the Lord. And, I have already been corresponding with some of those who have submitted themselves to this sacrifice – because they cannot abandon the work that God has given them.

      May God bless all who are truly willing to give their lives for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

      Great contribution, Ron. Thank you.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  18. Dear John,

    Thank you for posting a thorough study on the issue of the Rapture.

    I plan to study the issue further.

    I suspect that I can furnish an even more thorough Biblically based study which provides a view contrary to yours, answering your points carefully line by line.

    I plan to post a multi-part study in answer to your study at my Real Bible Study website.

    Though we may disagree on some points of Bible interpretation, I certainly consider you a brother in Christ.

    I am always open to changing my position when further study of a Bible issue demonstrates I have been mistaken.

    Thank you for the opportunity to re-examine this important issue.

    I enjoy your newsletter. Thank you for all you do to keep people informed on being prepared for what may well be coming in our day. Proverbs 22:3.

    Yours in Christ,

    Jerry

    Jerome Smith
    Author, The New Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and Nelson’s Cross Reference Guide to the Bible.

    • Hi Jerome Smith,

      I appreciate the measured approach that you are taking.

      Please remember that those three passages are by no means the entirety of the evidence against the pre-tribulation rapture theory. There are some very fundamental issues that cannot fit into a 600 word article.

      But, the three passages present a gigantic obstacle that I have not found any pre-trib person able to circumvent without quite a bit of philosophical gymnastics. You can prove white is black, if you throw enough words at the question.

      For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. – Hebrews 4:12

      Thank you, Jerome. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • Dear John,

        Thank you for your kind response to my comment.

        I have now written two articles in response to your excellent article here at my website titled “The Rapture Question Answered, Part 1,” and “The Rapture Question Answered, Part 2.”

        In those two posts I have only discussed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3.

        I have just completed my work on the book of Jude. I have been working all day every day since February of 2010 to expand the cross references available for Bible study. I have now basically completed work on Genesis through Jude. I look forward to studying the book of Revelation in depth this way next, comparing Scripture with Scripture.

        My next post on The Rapture Question Answered, Part 3 should begin to directly address what you have written.

        Jerry

        • Hi Jerome Smith,

          I read through the four parts that you’ve written.

          I really appreciate the good spirit with which you wrote. And, the effort was commendable.

          Unfortunately, it just doesn’t work. You are approaching all this from the standpoint that a pre-tribulation rapture must be true. Furthermore, you make inferences about Paul’s motivations that do not appear in the Bible.

          And, as I see Ezekiel’s Fire coming, as prophesied, you are in harm’s way. Worse, you are putting those who learn from you in harm’s way. This is NOT a theoretical exercise, like it was two hundred years ago when the pre-tribulation rapture theory was first published, in Spanish.

          This is real. This is now. And, we will all stand before a holy God and answer for the warning we did – or did not – make.

          Jerry, for your own sake, please consider carefully. Much is at stake and Eternity is long.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

  19. Right on, John. You are the wave of the future! Readers might enjoy visiting Google and typing in “Pretrib Rapture Stealth,” “Pretrib Rapture Pride,” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty.” But they might want to take some tranquilizers first! Lord bless and reward you, John.

  20. John, I think the easiest way to explain the “post-trib” or “pre-wrath” rapture is to simply quote 2 Thess 2:1-3. Pre-tribbers will argue with Mt 24:31, claiming this is the 2nd coming, which it is not.

    2Th 2:1 ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER unto him,
    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    I missed this article, glad to see it now. Down deep, many, many Christians understand the pre-trib position is faulty, but fear of driving people away makes many preachers afraid of standing up and saying so. Thanks for the article and your explanation. Marvin Rosenthal has been shunned for 24 years since his stand in 1990 (Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church), but he too, will one day be vindicated.

    • Hi Willard Aztec,

      Many of my friends are also friends of Marvin, and I’m so sorry that he had to go through that. We live in such an age of grave, grave deception.

      And, on the other side, we have post-tribbers who claim that Israel CANNOT and WILL NOT ever be saved – As if the still unfulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament have been negated.

      It truly grieves my soul to see such a terrible twisting of the Word of God. God help us all.

      Thank you, Willard. That was a great comment.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  21. revjwwhitejr@aol.com

    Please put “A Bible question” in the subject matter box so that I don’t think it is spam or any other unwanted e-mail. I get a lot of those.

    Now, in closing this exchange, I would direct anyone to the statement of Jesus himself when considering the possibility of the Rapture being a nonevent or invalid teaching. In the books of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus informs the final generation through his disciples of the times they will face at the end of this age. But with the warning he also offers hope. It is what can be derived and defined by scripture as The Blessed Hope. There is one word that all Christians everywhere should be familiar with that appears in one statement Jesus includes in his teachings on the time leading up to The Great Tribulation inside the passages found in Luke and is directly connected to this Hope.

    Luke 21:34-36
    34. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    35. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

    36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to “ESCAPE” all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    Now, if there is no possible way of anyone (namely Christians, or from this ministries perspective, obedient Christians) escaping the time known as The Great Tribulation Period, then Jesus’ words here are for naught. What is the purpose of verse 36’s mention of an escape from the time Jesus has just described, if not to give the Bride of Christ hope in her belief that she will do just that and be spared from the darkest most violent and bloodiest time in all of world history?

    • Hi Cruxty,

      I think that we must have missed a few ‘comments’. So, I’m not completely sure what you are trying to say.

      If you are interpreting Luke 21:36 as somehow ‘praying to be included in the Rapture’, you are sorely mistaken. In fact, you’re close to heresy. The Bible is very specific that when the Rapture comes ALL who are in the Kingdom of God will be in the Rapture – both good and bad. Matthew 25.

      In Matthew 24:31 the angels gather the elect, when the Lord returns. How can you pray to be worthy to be one of ‘the elect’? You are either one of the ‘elect’, or you aren’t. That’s what ‘elect’ means.

      You also seem to misunderstand that there really is an escape in the midst of the Tribulation. We have an example of this in Revelation 12.

      If you truly believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, then you need to prove that the three passages I gave you in this article talk about a pre-tribulation rapture.

      You cannot.

      If you cannot, then you acknowledge that you are in rebellion against God, and that is a serious, serious thing. And, if you teach this ‘rebellion’… well, you will answer to God for that.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  22. John, interesting article. Have you read the Pre-wrath Rapture by Dr. Rosenthal, Its a good read. The ultimate goal in Revelation is to open the scroll with the seven seals. Have you figured out what’s written in the scroll and no the scroll is not the book of Revelation its self. Chapter 12 is what l call the spiritual history of Israel in a nut shell, its also the dividing chapter. Revelation is a layered prophecy, which repeats its self, like the Gospels. For instance the trumpets and vials are the one and same judgement of God. I have been a Spirit filled believer since 1981 and I have just recently found your blog and like your perspective. Thank you for sharing.

    • Hi Larry,

      I hadn’t seen Marvin’s book before, but I’m afraid that I won’t be able to get my hands on it since it’s not in Kindle. I’m on the other side of the planet, and it’s hard to get books from the US.

      However, the book looks good.

      As to the trumpets and vials being ‘one and same judgement of God’, um… THAT is not what is written in Revelation. Be VERY careful here. There is a curse in the final chapter of Revelation:

      For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. – Revelation 22:18-19

      Take Revelation as it says. Do not take away or add.

      Thank you, Larry.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  23. One subject that is always ignored by pre-trib scoffers is the new age channeled revelations of a coming event that sounds exactly like it will be used to explain away the pre-trib rapture when it happens. They even use the words, “in the twinkling of an eye.” I’m not wasting my time going into details here because it will do no good. Those interested can research it themselves.

    Then you have Hollywood which has for years been programming viewers for the sudden disappearance of millions of people. Why in the world is Satan preparing to explain away a coming event if it’s as scoffers say not going to happen? He’s got better things to do than waste efforts on a red herring. I see a lot of eisegesis of scripture by wannabe Bible teachers but those qualified in exegesis are few and far between. The portrait of the rapture spans the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation, not selected excerpts here and there. Chuck Missler, whether you like him or not, is correct in saying the greatest barrier to truth is assuming you already know it.

    Preparation for disaster is prudent but those that think they are preparing to survive the tribulation are in delusion and have no grasp of how horrible and deadly this period will be, especially for believers.

    I have no animosity toward those of other rapture views but I find the hatred (not here) of pre-tribbers by so many advocates of contrary views very un-christian and revealing in itself. No other rapture view has been attacked with such hatred and increasingly so. See 2 Peter 3:3-4. If I am wrong I have lost nothing. If scoffers are wrong they may be the ones unprepared and lose a crown.

    • Hi Steven,

      Thank you for your thoughts, and the fact that you do not lump me in with those who hate pre-tribbers. I manifestly do not.

      As to your evidence of a pre-tribulation Rapture, please understand that I am required to believe what the Bible says. So far, no one has yet to explain how the Biblical evidence that I have offered here points to a Pre-trib Rapture. No one.

      If the pre-tribulation Rapture is such a clear doctrine, why hasn’t anyone stepped forward and answered these three passages?

      Why haven’t you offered me anything?

      Believe me, when I say that I would much rather believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture. That would relieve me of a huge burden to write these articles that are full of such gloom and doom. Unfortunately, you cannot disprove what I’ve written in this article.

      Steven, please reconsider your position. We will need as many Christians as possible after Ezekiel’s Fire comes to roll up their sleeves and do the work that God has called us to. You are no good to us dead.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  24. Although I sort of don’t care (though am a believer!) I have noticed, even with you, an instant derisive and mocking attitude towards pretribbers. (“I know that you are merely repeating what others have taught you, to Norbert). Assuming bad motives (to escape) and blind following-sounds bad-like you are guilty of the same thing. (Escaping Escaping) I also have noticed that those who are pretribbers usually refer to many more scriptures than do posttribbers.
    I do have one question for pretribbers : is it “fair” to allow those who became believers after the rapture to suffer for the rest of the time? To posttribbers: why are believers raptured up at the exact moment that Christ is coming down?

    Just wondering. Hoping for Pre-preparing for Post.

    • Hi anonymous,

      I always treat sincere belief with respect and never mock. Never. Unfortunately, words on the page often can be misconstrued, and I’m afraid that it might appear that I am mocking, when I am not. Furthermore, this website is only one part of what I do, and I have very little time to construct finely crafted answers, so sometimes I might come across in an unintended way.

      But, thank you for that warning. I will try to be careful.

      The reason why the pretribbers use more verses is that they MUST use more verses to prove their point. They do not have a verse that clearly makes their point. There is no verse that says, “You don’t have to worry about the Tribulation because God will take you away before you see it.”

      That verse is nowhere in the Bible. However, there are several verse that say the opposite.

      As for the posttribbers… well, the exact moment of the rapture is somewhat unclear. Revelation doesn’t say, and Revelation is THE go-to book for the Tribulation.

      Having said that, it’s not terribly important. It will happen when it happens.

      By the way, for the longest time, I also really didn’t care when someone thought the Rapture was going to happen. It was only when I tried to warn people about the difficult days ahead that I realized that the pretrib theory was giving people a false sense of security and causing them to ignore the obvious.

      Danger is coming, and you MUST prepare for bad times.

      Thank you, anonymous.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  25. Hi Little John,

    Thanks for the sight. I was always raised to believe pretrib. It wasn’t until a vivid dream this past week clear message being… “Christ is coming, Issiah 19” that I started researching myself. As far as the dream, still don’t quite understand fully, but nevertheless has me researching the chronological order of end of times.

    Most of what is being revealed to me through scripture points to the rapture occurring during the tribulation. My guess would be Mathew 24:30 and Revelation 6:12 occurs at the same time as the rapture. Difference here being resurrection (body) and rapture (spirit) might be different?

    Again, I’m by no means an expert on any of this, just trying to sift through what the bibles says and what others interpret. I know that these views are not supported by mainstream Christians, however, is there scripture to support rapture and resurrection as same? Moreover, is their scripture to say they are not separate?

    Thanks again John for your work. Also, if you have any insights to timing of Issiah 19, I would love to hear.

    Drew

    • Hi Drew,

      It’s good to see someone who is truly searching the scriptures. Good work.

      When Paul wrote in his first letter to the Thessalonians, he said this:

      For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

      (also: 1 Corinthians 15:51-53)

      What Paul is saying here is that the resurrection and the rapture happen almost (if not completely) simultaneously. There is no gap in time between them. Also, all the parables of the return of Christ speak of a reaping, with no distinction between those who are alive vs. those who are dead.

      And, ultimately, the rapture and the resurrection will all be of the spirit. We will be leaving these bodies that we carry around, for which I will be very thankful.

      Glad to see you searching the Bible, Drew.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  26. I love your website! So very interesting to me. I believe we will see who the antichrist is partly because I WANT to see who it is. If we didn’t get to witness this it would be the ultimate in not getting to read the end of the story or see the end of the movie. All these years of believing without seeing and then at the last minute we don’t get to see that either. I realize this is me putting this into my own words but that’s what I always do.

    Also, we sort of have an escape place here in frigid Minnesota and it’s the family farm. It has the freshest water (well) you can imagine, 80 acres. The only problem is that I’d probably have to live with one of my brothers and his family and that just scares me to death. He’s Christian but I’m sorry I just know I can’t live with them. I’ve struggled with this in prayer. Also, when Mom goes there will be pressure to sell the farm from 1 or 2 of the 4 brothers. There are others who refer to the American redoubt as the perfect survival area in America. This is an area in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho which includes the rocky mountains.

    Here’s the problem: If you have family you don’t just move out to militia-ville usa and leave your family in Florida, Wisconsin and wherever and say you can join us or you’re on your own. This tells me that Jesus wants us to live our lives in these places and he will provide for us even in the worst circumstances or we may die. Whatever is OK. My survival plan may be to make it very easy for my two kids to get out of the country quickly, like Costa Rica with money and what they need for a rough stretch.

    Keep writing!

  27. John, I appreciate you as a person and take at face value your sincerity in wishing to present the Scriptures as they are. I admittedly read your article with pre-trib tinted glasses but tried my best to remove them and consider your viewpoint out of respect for you. I do find your arguments flawed not just in my opinions but according to my understanding of the Bible. You are adamant that there is only one resurrection of the just and that is true but it is clearly in more than one part. Don’t take my word on it. Jesus himself was the first fruits. (Mat 27:52) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
    (Mat 27:53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
    This verse shows conclusively that your adamant denial that the first resurrection could possibly be in more than one part is flawed. There are at least two parts to the first resurrection and if two why not three with the Tribulation saints receiving their glorified bodies at the end of the tribulation? Your 300 word limit prevents me from presenting much more.

    • Hi Paul Johnston,

      Matthew 27:52 and 53 are your evidence that I’m wrong?

      You have evidence that these people were given their New, Heavenly Bodies?

      I am surprised that you would offer that as your evidence.

      I’m glad that you see me as sincere, but let me ask you this:

      Jesus said that the rapture would be after the tribulation.

      Do you dare to disagree with Jesus?

      Paul said that the Antichrist would arrive before the rapture.

      Paul said that ALL OF the resurrection would happen before the rapture, that none would remain in the ground when we are raptured. According to Paul, there will be no one unresurrected when the Rapture happens.

      Do you dare to disagree with Paul?

      I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to choose between the pretribulation rapture and God.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • John, I respectfully continue to disagree. What do you call receiving your new body other than a resurrection? These folks aren’t going to hell so they have part in the first resurrection. Paul predicted another resurrection, reasonably also a part of the first resurrection because they are not going to hell. Your assertion that “Paul said that ALL OF the resurrection would happen before the rapture, that none would remain in the ground when we are raptured. According to Paul, there will be no one unresurrected when the Rapture happens.” I’m sorry John you are misunderstanding something and putting words in the Apostle Paul’s mouth.

        (Rev 20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

        (Rev 20:5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

        Per John in Revelation the resurrection won’t be complete until a thousand years after the Tribulation has ended. “This is the first resurrection”. Certainly you are correct that there is a resurrection immediately before the rapture and it is the first resurrection but it is you that must twist the Scriptures to deny that the first resurrection is in multiple parts.

        • Paul,

          You have no evidence of a two part resurrection, which means that it is a lie. All that you have innuendo and twisted scripture.

          You do not have a single verse – not one – that offers proof of a two part resurrection. While we have all the parables of Jesus, as well as His description in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

          Yet, you would believe the words of this LIE, rather than the words of Jesus.

          Paul, it is time to repent. You are preaching a lie.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

  28. I first want to say I have always been a pre-trib believer. At this point, not because of your article however well laid out it was, am in the indecision phase here. I JUST DON’T KNOW. I see your well written article and would tend to agree with what it says. I do have a question with Thessalonians 4:16-17. As you have stated the dead rise first….and those who remain with be brought together with those who are already there. As you stated earlier with “Drew” it happens simultaniously. So when do the dead rise first and the others come as well?

    • Hi Robert H.

      Of this, I cannot be completely sure. Because the wrath of God that is poured out upon the Earth is so short, it may not matter.

      However, 1 Corinthians 15 says this:

      In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (v53)

      That appears to be the seventh trumpet of Revelation – which marks the beginning of the wrath. However, I’m not sure that we can be dogmatic about this.

      That would mean that the wrath would be poured out when Jesus begins His return and is seen in the heavens, certainly possible.

      For those of us who survive the Tribulation of the Antichrist, I’m not sure that the timing matters too much. It won’t be in our hands.

      I’m sorry that I cannot be more specific. My focus has been on events leading up to the Tribulation and haven’t given much thought to afterwards.

      When the Tribulation begins, we’re pretty much stuck wherever we are.

      I hope that this has been of some help, Robert. It’s good to see someone thinking carefully about all of this.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  29. This is not mine, its copied but it says exactly what I want to say….
    The Biblical evidence for The Rapture is all “between the lines”; it is implied, or necessitated by the aggregate of the evidence.For example, when the Holy Ghost says through Paul that Hymenaeus and Philetus have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already (2 Tim.2:17-18), you may then ask yourself just “what resurrection” they are referring to? The fact that Christ has not yet come is NOT offered as a proof that the resurrection could not have happened yet. THIS SUGGESTS A PRE-SECOND COMING RESURRECTION.Hymenaeus and Philetus could not possibly be referring to The End of The World and The Last Judgement, for that only happens after the earth and the heaven havefled away; and there is found no place for them (Rev. 20:11). Any attempt to explain HOW the earth and the heaven have ALREADY fled away, in order to assert that the resurrection is past already, is so patently ridiculous that it could never overthrow the faith of ANYBODY.Neither is it said here that the resurrection could not have taken place YET because The Great Tribulation has not begun. If we have to endure ANY of The Great Tribulation, why didn’t Paul introduce this as evidence that the resurrection COULD NOT be past already?So let me ask you: Wouldn’t you feel like your faith was overthrown if someone convinced you that The Rapture had already happened and you were left behind? If Hymenaeus and Philetus are NOT talking about a PRE-Tribulation Rapture, what in the world WERE they talking about?If The 1st Resurrection does not happen BEFORE Christ actually sets His feet upon the earth again (Acts 1:9-12, Zech.14:4), why is it said that we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR (1 Thess. 4:17)? It doesn’t say that we will meet the Lord on the earth, but in the air. What could be the reason for ourmeeting the Lord in the air, except to escape (Luke 21:36) The Great Tribulation?

    • Hi Wade,

      You implicitly admit that there is no proof of a pre-tribulation rapture, and studiously ignore the obvious proof of a ‘post tribulation rapture’. You even bring out Hymenaeus and Philetus, who were condemned by Paul and use THEM as proof!

      Wow. I am impressed. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen such obvious twisting of the Bible. That’s right up there with those who claim that the Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality.

      You have no proof, Wade, and you know it. It’s time to repent.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

  30. I know this doesn’t go with the topic, but I tried commenting on ezekielfire and it didn’t go through. so…

    Just finished reading your Ezekiel’s Fire 2016 pdf. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you have Magog before the 1000 year reign (page 149 of your pdf or page 150 by the browser). Revelation 20:7-8 states that Magog comes after the 1000 year reign.

    • Hi Jerry,

      Sorry about not allowing comments to be published. Ezekiel’s Fire was meant to be a book, and I’m just not able to manage comments on both sites.

      One of the big problems that I have with seminaries, is that they are not teaching the Old Testament. And, when you miss the Old Testament, you also miss the fact that there are TWO GOG AND MAGOGs!

      TWO!

      Read Ezekiel 38 and 39:

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+38-39&version=KJV

      There is plenty of stuff that happens after the coming of Gog and Magog.

      In Revelation 20, what happens after the coming of Gog and Magog?

      The White Throne Judgment – nothing in between.

      What happens BEFORE the coming of Gog and Magog in Revelation 20?

      The Millennium.

      We are NOT in the Millennium, and the Millennium is certainly not an allegory. And, we know that Jesus will return BEFORE the Millennium.

      Just because Gog and Magog are strange sounding names, that strangeness shouldn’t keep us from seeing the obvious:

      The Salvation of Israel Must Come BEFORE the Antichrist.

      Read what I said, here:

      http://www.ezekiel36-39.com/

      THAT is all about God’s determination to save the children of Jacob. And, it must happen before the Great Tribulation – which means… SOON!

      I hope that explains some things for you, Jerry.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

      • Hi John:

        From your Ezekiel’s Fire pdf, page 122, you wrote:
        “This would seem to indicate that those who are NOT in the First Resurrection are NOT Just, NOT Blessed and NOT Holy.”

        “seem” indicates this is an assumption. This assumption must be confirmed or refuted.

        Daniel 12:2 RSV
        And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

        This is the only resurrection the angel mentions to Daniel, and it includes both everlasting life and everlasting contempt. Since the first resurrection is only for the blessed, the angel’s resurrection must be the more all encompassing one at the end. This includes good and bad. Thus your assumption is in error.

        This means Israel could be in the second resurrection. No need to shoehorn Israel’s salvation in somewhere if verses don’t fit.

        The qualifications for the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4): beheaded for Jesus and or the word of God, not worship the beast or image, and not receive the mark. These qualifications fit those living in the decades before Armageddon. People before that time will be in the second resurrection. Hence Jesus’ words: “But many that are first will be last, and the last first.” (Matthew 19:30 RSV)

        Jerry

        • Hi Jerry,

          You seem to have missed some important points about the Kingdom of God. The first resurrection is all about the Kingdom of God and all who were in it – from Adam to the Second Coming – will rise from the dead. Unfortunately, you assume that only ‘good people’ will be in this first resurrection. You indicate this position, here:

          ————-

          This is the only resurrection the angel mentions to Daniel, and it includes both everlasting life and everlasting contempt. Since the first resurrection is only for the blessed, the angel’s resurrection must be the more all encompassing one at the end. This includes good and bad. Thus your assumption is in error.

          ————-

          That is completely incorrect.

          Read the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:

          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25&version=KJV

          What is it speaking about?

          The Return of Jesus Christ. The Second Coming. That moment in time BEFORE the Millennium.

          What does He do when He returns?

          He judges those who are in His Kingdom. Those who obeyed His voice, will be rewarded. Those who disobeyed His voice will be condemned, and will be cast into Hell.

          THAT is the resurrection that the angel spoke of. Furthermore, the words of Jesus in Matthew 25 ALSO refute your interpretation of Revelation 20. For you to limit the resurrection to this, is quite shocking. It’s as if you are throwing out the words of the Bible that speak about the resurrection.

          Jerry, please set aside any commentary that you are reading and turn your focus to the Bible itself. In this age of deception, ignorance is a dangerous position to be in.

          Yours in Christ,

          John Little
          omegashock.com

          • Hi John:

            My apologies. Got your Ezekiel 38 & 39 mixed up with some other Armageddon web page.

            Magog is NOT at Armageddon. You’re placing Magog’s attack some time before. Got that.

            I still see many problems with your work, mainly the assumptions.

            Without proof, it’s an assumption. Here’s proof there’s only one Magog attack.

            Ezekiel 38:6 & 39:4 both have the Hebrew word “ammim” which means “peoples.” Thus many unnamed nations are with Magog, possibly and probably every one. Only two battles in Revelation include every nation: Armageddon & Revelation 20. We know it’s not Armageddon. Thus Ezekiel 38 & 39 has to go with Revelation 20.

            Your claim that nothing is after Magog’s final attack and the Great White Throne is an assumption. Revelation 20:11 is a scene change. When you switch channels midprogram, the program doesn’t end. It continues unseen.

            In reply to your other message recently:

            Sorry, but Matthew 25 is not about Jesus’ second coming before the millennium. It’s not about those IN the kingdom. He gathers the “nations.” These are people NOT in the kingdom. He separates sheep from goats. To the sheep on his right he says “inherit” the kingdom (Matthew 25:34. Which means they didn’t have it before. (Doesn’t make sense if you’re already in the kingdom and now are told to inherit it.) He condemns the goats to everlasting punishment.

            Revelation 20:6 says those in the first resurrection are blessed. Nothing here about any judgment.

            You’re avoiding my previous point.

            On page 122 of Ezekiel’s Fire you wrote, “Nothing good happens to those in the second resurrection.” Daniel 12:2 states otherwise. Like Matthew 25, and Revelation 20:15, good AND bad happens in the second resurrection.

            This flawed assumption makes you say God will not want Israel to miss the first resurrection. Unfortunately a lot of your work is based on this flaw.

            And on page 69,

            “The Antichrist is the one causing the Great Tribulation. Or, more accurately, Satan, the one who in-dwells the Antichrist.”

            You’re placing the Great Tribulation with or after the Antichrist.

            But the Antichrist comes after the seventh seal, and the Great Tribulation is already in full swing by the fifth and sixth seals (Revelation 6:9, 7:13-14).

            Jerry

          • Hi Jerry,

            Hold on there. You claimed that I was making assumptions, and then made a few yourself.

            You assume that ‘peoples’ means ‘all peoples’. You can’t assume that.

            You also assume that there is only one Magog attack. You can’t assume that – especially since the characteristics of Ezekiel 38 and 39 are different than that of Revelation 20.

            As for my ‘assumption’ that there isn’t any time after this second ‘Gog and Magog’… it’s not an assumption. I have proof.

            And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

            Revelation 20:7

            THAT is at the END of the Millennium.

            Furthermore, you are attempting to insert time between these two verses:

            9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

            10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

            Revelation 20:9-10

            Unfortunately, that’s quite an ‘assumption’. You’ll need to find a place in scripture that gives you permission to do that. And, you need to be careful here, because you risk one of these two verses:

            18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

            19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

            Revelation 22:18-19

            Don’t add. Do not subtract. The risk is high, should you do either.

            But, we aren’t finished.

            Ezekiel 39 connects this battle of Gog and Magog to the salvation of Israel:

            28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

            29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord God.

            Ezekiel 39:28-29

            This means that you will need to start looking for all the passages that refer to the return of Israel to God. Once you have all those, you can see the context – and it’s NOT the end of the Millennium.

            In fact, if you need help putting those passages together, I’ve done that, here:

            http://www.ezekiel36-39.com/

            I challenge you to go through all those passages, and then try to insert all the conditions surrounding the salvation of Israel – between verses nine and ten of Revelation 20.

            You can’t do it.

            Then, you make some serious assumptions about Matthew 25. Remember, the chapter divisions were added long after the fact. So, you are assuming that Matthew 25 is not a part of Matthew 24. That’s a serious assumption without proof.

            How can you claim that the ‘coming of the bridegroom’ and the ‘return of the lord’ are not the second coming? How can you ignore verse 31?

            31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

            – Matthew 25:31

            When does the Son of Man come in all of His glory?

            THE SECOND COMING!!!!

            Furthermore, you claim that there is no condemnation in the First Resurrection – when Jesus plainly indicates in Matthew 25 that there is. The unjust servant was still a servant. The foolish virgins were still virgins.

            You are claiming that all who cry ‘Lord, Lord’ will go to heaven. But, Jesus says otherwise. Yes, I know that Revelation 20:6 is confusing. And, there are different conclusions that we can make about that verse. But, that doesn’t give you permission to throw out the other verses in the Bible.

            Then, you mix up the Second Resurrection with the First. Why do you do that? Again, you are stumbling over Revelation 20:6. Don’t do that. Jesus spoke clearly about what happens when HE returns.

            The Great Tribulation isn’t about the Antichrist?

            Are you sure about that?

            Jesus said that THIS was when The Great Tribulation begins:

            15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

            – Matthew 24:15

            I understand where the holes in your knowledge come from. The foolish theologians, hired by foolish seminaries, have been corrupting our understanding of the Bible for centuries. It’s time to set aside these foolish doctrines and set everything straight.

            Ignorance of the Bible is dangerous, Jerry. Please, please take the time to fit all the pieces together.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little
            omegashock.com

          • I rebut your most recent statements.

            [DELETED BY JL]

            I see no point in continuing this discussion because you won’t even admit you made a mistake in your Ezekiel’s Fire.

            Jerry

          • Hi Jerry,

            There’s a limit to how much that I can take. And, your ‘rebuttal’ hit my limits pretty quickly.

            You didn’t even bother to address the main points. Either you are unable to see what I’m saying, or you are deliberately ignoring the points that I am making. Either way, there is a problem.

            The comment section is for serious, thoughtful and to-the-point dialogue.

            But, I thank you for your effort, Jerry.

            Yours in Christ,

            John Little
            omegashock.com

  31. Hi John:

    Ezekiel 38 & 39 (alone or together) don”t fit Armageddon. Differences are too great. Battle of Magog followed immediately by the Great White Throne is an assumption.

    From your Ezekiel’s Fire pdf, page 122, you wrote:
    “This would seem to indicate that those who are NOT in the First Resurrection are NOT Just, NOT Blessed and NOT Holy.”

    “seem” indicates this is an assumption, and has to be verified.

    Daniel 12:2 RSV
    And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    This resurrection includes both everlasting life and contempt. Since the first resurrection is only for the blessed, this resurrection must be the more all encompassing one at the end. This includes good and bad. Thus your assumption is in error.

    This means Israel could be in the second resurrection. No need to shoehorn Israel’s salvation in somewhere if verses don’t fit.

    The qualifications for the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4): beheaded for Jesus and or the word of God, not worship the beast or image, and not receive the mark. These qualifications fit those living in the decades before Armageddon. People before that time will be in the second resurrection. Hence Jesus’ words: “But many that are first will be last, and the last first.” (Matthew 19:30 RSV)

    Jerry

    • Hi Jerry,

      Ezekiel 38 and 39 do NOT fit Armageddon, because they are are NOT Armageddon. We know what Armageddon is. No, Ezekiel 38 and 39 happen BEFORE The Great Tribulation.

      Why would you make such an assumption?

      I find your willingness to accuse me of making assumptions to be strange, when you are making greater assumptions than I am.

      As for the First Resurrection, Jesus plainly spoke of the First Resurrection as being that of The Kingdom. And, Jesus said that He would judge those in His Kingdom and divide them into the sheep and the goats.

      Why do you make assumptions to the contrary?

      Why do you try to shoehorn Israel into the second resurrection?

      I am mystified by this.

      You aren’t paying much attention to scripture, Jerry. And, I don’t understand that.

      Yours in Christ,

      John Little
      omegashock.com

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